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This movie had to be a troll. The ending cover song of RATM's "Wake Up" was just something else.

cheschire 5y ago
So at first I dismissed your comment and moved on. But then I realized... maybe this was a troll? If WB really did try to strong arm her into making another one, this feels like the perfect response. "Sure, I'll make another one..." and then proceeds to make sure they never make a 5th. On the other hand, she has said in interviews that she was motivated by a personal loss to reach out and try to make it. Not sure who actually initiated trying to get the movie made as I've heard both versions now.
- parrellel 5y ago
  Both can definitely be true. The movie can be trolling Warner Bros and be trying to say something personally valuable to the director.
- ascagnel_ 5y ago
  I’ve heard a different version: that the Wachowskis were told the reboot would be going ahead with or without them. The movie feels like a very personal “screw you, executives”, in that it denies catharsis to some of the most popular parts of the first movie and at the same time makes some very, very clear statements that echo what Lana Wachowski has said in the past. It’s what a revival should be: it gives you a way to observe the original work from a radically different perspective, while still building on it. The only other revival that’s done it better has been Twin Peaks: The Return.
  - brandmeyer 5y ago
    > the Wachowskis were told the reboot would be going ahead with or without them. The writers made this part of the plot of the repeating inner world. Between that moment and the painful scenes of the game designers' cyclic rounds of buzzword bingo, I agree that the movie was at least trolling the WB executives.
    - sgarman 5y ago
      > trolling the WB executives In my mind that's undeniably true. The question I want to know is why was the rest of the movie so bad, was that also bad on purpose or just poor execution?
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        The pandemic probably affected the production grievously.
  - emptyparadise 5y ago
    I'm sure you can understand why our beloved parent company, Warner Brothers, has decided to make a sequel to the trilogy. They informed me they're gonna do it with or without us.
oliyoung 5y ago
> This movie had to be a troll. Not so much a "troll", but there's a scene in the first act that literally lays out the entire premise of the production and the creator's feelings about feeling forced to do it. There are "lampshade hanging" fourth-wall breaks in the production meeting scenes that make Deadpool look conservative. The Wachowskis didn't want to do more Matrix. Warner were going to do more Matrix regardless, so Lana Wachowski decided to do it herself and use it to deconstruct both their own movies and reboot/nostalgia cinema in general (looking at you Force Awakens, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, Space Jam et al)
- elpakal 5y ago
  I don’t know if it’s true that Lana W was forced to do this. I saw an interview with her and she said she needed to grieve about something and that this was what she wanted to do (or something along those lines). maybe true that WB would have done it anyway, but she didn’t seem forced.
  - oliyoung 5y ago
    You might be right, "forced" might be the wrong word. WB's been in pre-production on a new Matrix for years now, and maybe she saw the opportunity to use it.
- sam0x17 5y ago
  Hot take: I was a huge fan of the original matrix trilogy and the animatrix, and while it wasn't what I expected, I enjoyed the film. In the late 90s, we had this whole thing of the corporate drone. That's sort of dead now. Instead we have millennials and zoomers with their spunk and crippling anxiety and standups and fair trade and breaking of fourth walls, and meta, etc, etc. It just feels like the original trilogy were movies that matched the late 90s and early 00s, and this movie matches the 2020s. It is impossible to take the sincere authenticity of the first three films and transplant them into the 2020s without having an identity crisis. This is just the shit timeline we're living in. Movie was on point. Was delighted to see none other than NPH as the central villain. Would have been much worse without him, imo.
mathtings 5y ago
Haven't seen it yet. Just looked up the scene. It reminds me of the ending of Resident Evil: https://youtu.be/rGAm2jTJQrg?t=119 https://youtu.be/rGAm2jTJQrg?t=119
fasteddie31003 5y ago
The cover ruined it for me. I remember being a kid and seeing that scene with Neo flying and Rage Against The Machine playing and it sent chills down my spine. Not so much this time around.
- justapassenger 5y ago
  I think that big part of that maybe also that you aren’t a kid anymore.

So at first I dismissed your comment and moved on. But then I realized... maybe this was a troll? If WB really did try to strong arm her into making another one, this feels like the perfect response. "Sure, I'll make another one..." and then proceeds to make sure they never make a 5th. On the other hand, she has said in interviews that she was motivated by a personal loss to reach out and try to make it. Not sure who actually initiated trying to get the movie made as I've heard both versions now.

parrellel 5y ago
Both can definitely be true. The movie can be trolling Warner Bros and be trying to say something personally valuable to the director.
ascagnel_ 5y ago
I’ve heard a different version: that the Wachowskis were told the reboot would be going ahead with or without them. The movie feels like a very personal “screw you, executives”, in that it denies catharsis to some of the most popular parts of the first movie and at the same time makes some very, very clear statements that echo what Lana Wachowski has said in the past. It’s what a revival should be: it gives you a way to observe the original work from a radically different perspective, while still building on it. The only other revival that’s done it better has been Twin Peaks: The Return.
- brandmeyer 5y ago
  > the Wachowskis were told the reboot would be going ahead with or without them. The writers made this part of the plot of the repeating inner world. Between that moment and the painful scenes of the game designers' cyclic rounds of buzzword bingo, I agree that the movie was at least trolling the WB executives.
  - sgarman 5y ago
    > trolling the WB executives In my mind that's undeniably true. The question I want to know is why was the rest of the movie so bad, was that also bad on purpose or just poor execution?
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      The pandemic probably affected the production grievously.
- emptyparadise 5y ago
  I'm sure you can understand why our beloved parent company, Warner Brothers, has decided to make a sequel to the trilogy. They informed me they're gonna do it with or without us.

oliyoung 5y ago

> This movie had to be a troll. Not so much a "troll", but there's a scene in the first act that literally lays out the entire premise of the production and the creator's feelings about feeling forced to do it. There are "lampshade hanging" fourth-wall breaks in the production meeting scenes that make Deadpool look conservative. The Wachowskis didn't want to do more Matrix. Warner were going to do more Matrix regardless, so Lana Wachowski decided to do it herself and use it to deconstruct both their own movies and reboot/nostalgia cinema in general (looking at you Force Awakens, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, Space Jam et al)

elpakal 5y ago
I don’t know if it’s true that Lana W was forced to do this. I saw an interview with her and she said she needed to grieve about something and that this was what she wanted to do (or something along those lines). maybe true that WB would have done it anyway, but she didn’t seem forced.
- oliyoung 5y ago
  You might be right, "forced" might be the wrong word. WB's been in pre-production on a new Matrix for years now, and maybe she saw the opportunity to use it.
sam0x17 5y ago
Hot take: I was a huge fan of the original matrix trilogy and the animatrix, and while it wasn't what I expected, I enjoyed the film. In the late 90s, we had this whole thing of the corporate drone. That's sort of dead now. Instead we have millennials and zoomers with their spunk and crippling anxiety and standups and fair trade and breaking of fourth walls, and meta, etc, etc. It just feels like the original trilogy were movies that matched the late 90s and early 00s, and this movie matches the 2020s. It is impossible to take the sincere authenticity of the first three films and transplant them into the 2020s without having an identity crisis. This is just the shit timeline we're living in. Movie was on point. Was delighted to see none other than NPH as the central villain. Would have been much worse without him, imo.

mathtings 5y ago

Haven't seen it yet. Just looked up the scene. It reminds me of the ending of Resident Evil: https://youtu.be/rGAm2jTJQrg?t=119 https://youtu.be/rGAm2jTJQrg?t=119

fasteddie31003 5y ago

The cover ruined it for me. I remember being a kid and seeing that scene with Neo flying and Rage Against The Machine playing and it sent chills down my spine. Not so much this time around.

justapassenger 5y ago
I think that big part of that maybe also that you aren’t a kid anymore.