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That still doesn't disprove the fact, that the 'Vaccine' no longer prevents catching the virus or transmitting it.

autoexec 5y ago
It doesn't do as good a job as it used to, but we never had a vaccine that was 100% effective at doing either of those things. It's always been a numbers game where vaccines simply increased the odds in your favor. Before delta the vaccines gave a huge boost to your odds of not catching covid at all, but now with omicron vaccines only provide a small boost. Even now it's still better to use vaccines to increase your changes against catching the virus even though the vaccines are most effective at preventing death and hospitalization.
- refurb 5y ago
  “Weve never had a vaccine that was 100% effective at doing either of those things” is a huge cop out. It’s true, but we’ve had plenty of vaccinated that were 90%+ effective compared to the Covid vaccines at 30% for infection risk.
  - autoexec 5y ago
    I was responding to a comment which said "the fact, that the 'Vaccine' no longer prevents catching the virus or transmitting it." My problem with that statement is that it wasn't a fact. The vaccines do prevent catching the virus, just no where near as well as they used to and even at their best they never eliminated the risk of catching and transmitting the virus. It sucks that the new variants are able to overcome so much of the protection we had from vaccines, but we always knew there was a risk that would happen if we allowed the virus to spread uncontrolled. We didn't do enough to keep the number of infections down and evolution did its thing resulting in poorer vaccine performance. I really hope that adjustments are able to made to existing vaccines to compensate or new vaccines are developed which do a better job, but it's going to be an arms race until people stop passing this virus around by the millions every day giving it more opportunity to mutate and spread again. Right now, the vaccines are still the best defense we have. 30% is a hard number to hear when we had 90% but 30% of 7.9 billion people is 2,370,000,000 so it can still prevent a whole lot of infections in the world and if we work harder to bring the number of infections down hopefully we can prevent things getting much worse. My biggest fear was that some variant would evade the protections we have entirely and negate the lessons we've learned in treating the sick and we'd be right back to where we were early 2020. That's still a possibility we have to be ready to face.
- tekknik 5y ago
  We still don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine. So this numbers game is equivalent to Russian roulette.
  - 2III7 5y ago
    Historically we know the long term side effects of vaccines (hint: there aren't any).
    - tekknik 5y ago
      Historically we’ve never used mRNA vaccines.
    - hirvi74 5y ago
      Even if there were suspected long-term effects, causation != correlation.
  - fcurts 5y ago
    If you're concerned about the long term effects of the vaccine, you should be double concerned about the long term effects of the much more complex and much less understood virus.
    - tekknik 5y ago
      Except you can avoid the virus by isolating.
      - hirvi74 5y ago
        Not necessarily, there have been reports of people being infected via central air units in large building (apartments, condos, etc.). Albeit, I do not believe it is that common, it's still possible. However, if you isolated in a remote location in the woods miles away from humanity, then perhaps you'd be safe, I suppose.
        tekknik 5y ago
- lenkite 5y ago
  "It doesn't do as good a job as it used to, but we never had a vaccine that was 100% effective at doing either of those things." Oh please. We have a truckload of vaccines that convey multi-decade/life-long immunity. case: the smallpox vaccine, polio vaccine, etc We truly never had a real Covid Vaccine - we only have "protective boosters" and for Omicron they are utterly in-effective.

It doesn't do as good a job as it used to, but we never had a vaccine that was 100% effective at doing either of those things. It's always been a numbers game where vaccines simply increased the odds in your favor. Before delta the vaccines gave a huge boost to your odds of not catching covid at all, but now with omicron vaccines only provide a small boost. Even now it's still better to use vaccines to increase your changes against catching the virus even though the vaccines are most effective at preventing death and hospitalization.

refurb 5y ago
“Weve never had a vaccine that was 100% effective at doing either of those things” is a huge cop out. It’s true, but we’ve had plenty of vaccinated that were 90%+ effective compared to the Covid vaccines at 30% for infection risk.
- autoexec 5y ago
  I was responding to a comment which said "the fact, that the 'Vaccine' no longer prevents catching the virus or transmitting it." My problem with that statement is that it wasn't a fact. The vaccines do prevent catching the virus, just no where near as well as they used to and even at their best they never eliminated the risk of catching and transmitting the virus. It sucks that the new variants are able to overcome so much of the protection we had from vaccines, but we always knew there was a risk that would happen if we allowed the virus to spread uncontrolled. We didn't do enough to keep the number of infections down and evolution did its thing resulting in poorer vaccine performance. I really hope that adjustments are able to made to existing vaccines to compensate or new vaccines are developed which do a better job, but it's going to be an arms race until people stop passing this virus around by the millions every day giving it more opportunity to mutate and spread again. Right now, the vaccines are still the best defense we have. 30% is a hard number to hear when we had 90% but 30% of 7.9 billion people is 2,370,000,000 so it can still prevent a whole lot of infections in the world and if we work harder to bring the number of infections down hopefully we can prevent things getting much worse. My biggest fear was that some variant would evade the protections we have entirely and negate the lessons we've learned in treating the sick and we'd be right back to where we were early 2020. That's still a possibility we have to be ready to face.
tekknik 5y ago
We still don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine. So this numbers game is equivalent to Russian roulette.
- 2III7 5y ago
  Historically we know the long term side effects of vaccines (hint: there aren't any).
  - tekknik 5y ago
    Historically we’ve never used mRNA vaccines.
  - hirvi74 5y ago
    Even if there were suspected long-term effects, causation != correlation.
- fcurts 5y ago
  If you're concerned about the long term effects of the vaccine, you should be double concerned about the long term effects of the much more complex and much less understood virus.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    Except you can avoid the virus by isolating.
    - hirvi74 5y ago
      Not necessarily, there have been reports of people being infected via central air units in large building (apartments, condos, etc.). Albeit, I do not believe it is that common, it's still possible. However, if you isolated in a remote location in the woods miles away from humanity, then perhaps you'd be safe, I suppose.
      - tekknik 5y ago
lenkite 5y ago
"It doesn't do as good a job as it used to, but we never had a vaccine that was 100% effective at doing either of those things." Oh please. We have a truckload of vaccines that convey multi-decade/life-long immunity. case: the smallpox vaccine, polio vaccine, etc We truly never had a real Covid Vaccine - we only have "protective boosters" and for Omicron they are utterly in-effective.