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> No vaccine has ever given 100% immunity to everyone who got it. 100% wasn't stated by me as a target, the really interesting part is the shift of the target

> No vaccine has ever given 100% immunity to everyone who got it. 100% wasn't stated by me as a target, the really interesting part is the shift of the target from "you dont get it" to "you wont be hospitalized" ... elsewhere in this I posted about some of my readings about MMR vaccines, they confer something like a 9x decrease in infections (at all, again not just hospitalizations) . 2 doses/boosters is fine, even multiple years apart... Breakouts happen (with MMR) etc. But IMO the term "vaccine" meaning like the MMR vaccine, is not the same when applied to covid -- hence why I said "immumotherapy" seems more apt. > This narrative that they’re sneaking around changing definitions to trick people is absurd. They made the change publicly. The data used to make decisions around COVID is public. These aren’t back room secret deals. It’s public health policy being endlessly debated in public. I agree this is a good and valid point, part of the issue is messaging. Why is this redefinition not making news, and widespread announcement? I was getting texts to stay home, there were mailings and mandates about masks... Social media ads saying what the CDC is doing and why would be quite helpful to combat FUD... anyways I digress...

dpark 5y ago
I replied elsewhere about the meaning of “vaccine” (we’ve called the flu vaccine a vaccine for many years, with only ~50% typical effectiveness). As for the messaging: 1) I would bet all of my money that at least 95% of the people complaining about the CDC updating their definition had never once read the previous definition until they read some article trying to cast the CDCs actions in a nefarious light. It’s not clear to me why this redefinition is worthy of a news story at all. 2) I am very doubtful that the CDC engaging as you’ve described would help anything. Their detractors would absolutely call it propaganda.
- maerF0x0 5y ago
  just wanted to upvote you for adding the edit about immunotherapy could also mean decreasing the immune system. I'm not certain of the best word, still don't feel "vaccine" is it.
  - dpark 5y ago
    I actually skimmed over that at first and then came back (hence the edit). My son is on immunotherapy to reduce allergic reactions. I’m quite happy to have his immune system stop working so hard to fight eggs and nuts. :)

dpark 5y ago

I replied elsewhere about the meaning of “vaccine” (we’ve called the flu vaccine a vaccine for many years, with only ~50% typical effectiveness). As for the messaging: 1) I would bet all of my money that at least 95% of the people complaining about the CDC updating their definition had never once read the previous definition until they read some article trying to cast the CDCs actions in a nefarious light. It’s not clear to me why this redefinition is worthy of a news story at all. 2) I am very doubtful that the CDC engaging as you’ve described would help anything. Their detractors would absolutely call it propaganda.

maerF0x0 5y ago
just wanted to upvote you for adding the edit about immunotherapy could also mean decreasing the immune system. I'm not certain of the best word, still don't feel "vaccine" is it.
- dpark 5y ago
  I actually skimmed over that at first and then came back (hence the edit). My son is on immunotherapy to reduce allergic reactions. I’m quite happy to have his immune system stop working so hard to fight eggs and nuts. :)