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> First used a mac in 2021. And there it is. Nobody likes change. If you hate it so much, go back. Sure, it has its issues, but people who've been using it f

> First used a mac in 2021. And there it is. Nobody likes change. If you hate it so much, go back. Sure, it has its issues, but people who've been using it for a while are VASTLY more qualified to comment on that. If I'm used to skateboarding and I hate my first experience driving a car, should Toyota make a gap in the floor so I can push along with my foot? At least MacOS is big enough that people don't launch gigantic misguided attempts at a replacement and derail their lives, like that guy who tried to make a "distraction-free" Slack alternative.

wlesieutre 5y ago
Right? It would take about 15 seconds to learn how to set the default Finder behavior to arrange icons by name. If I wrote a similar post as a Mac user a week into trying Linux it would be about 10 miles long. 1) When I accidentally bump the middle mouse button, it barfs up my clipboard contents where I didn't want it to. Linux knows about normal cut/copy/paste conventions but for some reason does it wrong here. Because Linux is hot garbage, obviously. Here's a video of me spending several minutes trying one solution, realizing it nuked the middle mouse button completely and I can no longer middle click to open tabs, sorting out how to undo that, finding another solution, installing xbindkeys xsel and xdotool, setting up ~/.xbindkeysrc, realizing it doesn't work after I reboot, and then going back to google to figure out what systemd is and how to make something run on startup. 2) etc...
- nhumrich 5y ago
  Sure, but the biggest difference is you jump into Linux knowing it has rough edges, and lots of options for fixing the thing that bothers you, versus Mac, which everyone touts as "just works". You expect Mac to be polished. Also, more of a comment to the parent comment and not you directly, but asking existing Mac users if Mac is good is actually opposite of who is qualified to answer the question. Of course Mac users will say they enjoy MacOS, survivorship bias. Most of them still compare Mac to what windows/linux was 15 years ago, and have tried anything else recently.
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  - wlesieutre 5y ago
    I'd say Mac you get into knowing that it has opinions and not a lot of customization options. Coming from Linux, yeah that's going to be an adjustment. That being said, the author has gone out of their way to take the customization options that it does have and set them up in a way they don't like, apparently just to have something to complain about. Take this screenshot: https://miro.medium.com/max/700/1*YT_A3adukXXku33P2htLUw.jpeg https://miro.medium.com/max/700/1*YT_A3adukXXku33P2htLUw.jpe... By default, the tab bar isn't shown when there's only one tab, so they've gone and enabled that. The path bar at the bottom is also not enabled by default. All you would normally have is the selected folder in the sidebar (when applicable), and the current folder in the title bar. But you can turn on other options if you want to complain about them existing. But then he's steadfastly refused to change the icon organization settings, just to make sure he can complain about that too. I don't think the author is coming into this with a healthy attitude for trying a new OS. I get along just fine in Mac, Windows, and (occasionally) Linux, and despite the occasional adjustment to different conventions I've never felt a need to write an angry blog post about how garbage anything different from my default is. EDIT - taking a look at that screenshot again, it's from before the Big Sur redesign, so at least 3 releases old, and apparently from before the author ever used a mac. So he's gone and dug up someone else's old screenshot just to have something to whine about or what? Apologies for taking the flame bait, oh well.
ksec 5y ago
Yes. I think it is obvious he is coming from a Windows background. So Finder is sort of strange. Although I agree with many things he stated. 15+ years on Mac I still think Windows's default layout and file alignment better than Finders.
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TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
Yeah who would expect cmd+c cmd+x to copy and cut? Only a noob that's who!

wlesieutre 5y ago

Right? It would take about 15 seconds to learn how to set the default Finder behavior to arrange icons by name. If I wrote a similar post as a Mac user a week into trying Linux it would be about 10 miles long. 1) When I accidentally bump the middle mouse button, it barfs up my clipboard contents where I didn't want it to. Linux knows about normal cut/copy/paste conventions but for some reason does it wrong here. Because Linux is hot garbage, obviously. Here's a video of me spending several minutes trying one solution, realizing it nuked the middle mouse button completely and I can no longer middle click to open tabs, sorting out how to undo that, finding another solution, installing xbindkeys xsel and xdotool, setting up ~/.xbindkeysrc, realizing it doesn't work after I reboot, and then going back to google to figure out what systemd is and how to make something run on startup. 2) etc...

nhumrich 5y ago
Sure, but the biggest difference is you jump into Linux knowing it has rough edges, and lots of options for fixing the thing that bothers you, versus Mac, which everyone touts as "just works". You expect Mac to be polished. Also, more of a comment to the parent comment and not you directly, but asking existing Mac users if Mac is good is actually opposite of who is qualified to answer the question. Of course Mac users will say they enjoy MacOS, survivorship bias. Most of them still compare Mac to what windows/linux was 15 years ago, and have tried anything else recently.
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- wlesieutre 5y ago
  I'd say Mac you get into knowing that it has opinions and not a lot of customization options. Coming from Linux, yeah that's going to be an adjustment. That being said, the author has gone out of their way to take the customization options that it does have and set them up in a way they don't like, apparently just to have something to complain about. Take this screenshot: https://miro.medium.com/max/700/1*YT_A3adukXXku33P2htLUw.jpeg https://miro.medium.com/max/700/1*YT_A3adukXXku33P2htLUw.jpe... By default, the tab bar isn't shown when there's only one tab, so they've gone and enabled that. The path bar at the bottom is also not enabled by default. All you would normally have is the selected folder in the sidebar (when applicable), and the current folder in the title bar. But you can turn on other options if you want to complain about them existing. But then he's steadfastly refused to change the icon organization settings, just to make sure he can complain about that too. I don't think the author is coming into this with a healthy attitude for trying a new OS. I get along just fine in Mac, Windows, and (occasionally) Linux, and despite the occasional adjustment to different conventions I've never felt a need to write an angry blog post about how garbage anything different from my default is. EDIT - taking a look at that screenshot again, it's from before the Big Sur redesign, so at least 3 releases old, and apparently from before the author ever used a mac. So he's gone and dug up someone else's old screenshot just to have something to whine about or what? Apologies for taking the flame bait, oh well.

ksec 5y ago

Yes. I think it is obvious he is coming from a Windows background. So Finder is sort of strange. Although I agree with many things he stated. 15+ years on Mac I still think Windows's default layout and file alignment better than Finders.

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TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago

Yeah who would expect cmd+c cmd+x to copy and cut? Only a noob that's who!