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The CDC's explanation "interpreted to mean that vaccines were 100% effective, which has never been the case for any vaccine, so the current definition is more t

The CDC's explanation "interpreted to mean that vaccines were 100% effective, which has never been the case for any vaccine, so the current definition is more transparent, and also describes the ways in which vaccines can be administered" is totally on point and correct. People didn't really think about vaccines before and it wasn't a political thing where people are looking for gotchas like "They changed the definition of vaccine!" Before this age, you could just simply say "Yeah, vaccines give you immunity" and didn't need to be hyperacurrate but now everything is scrutinized, even when they provide a better definition apparently.

maerF0x0 5y ago
> and it wasn't a political thing Where you see "a political thing" I see "a trust thing". I have been burned too many times to sanely remain trusting . It's not politics I dont care if red/blue/pink/pirate team is pushing it, I have lost blind faith and now scrutinize as I'm able. And there used to be a time when I just trusted whatever came under the banner of "Science" thinking that smarter people than me were benevolently doing the best for all. But since I've experienced unexpected costs I've done more research and been shocked at what I found, for example Pfizer the maker of my vaccine has been fined ~$5Bn over 75 separate situations over the past 20 years [1]. Or Merck paying out 4.7Bn in damages , $1Bn in fines -- but gathered $12Bn in sales[2] ... No one went to jail. There is too much corporatism[3] for me to trust. [1]: https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=pfizer&order=pen_year&sort=desc https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=p... [2]: https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/joe-rogan-new-years-eve-tutorial-on-corporate-crime-in-the-pharmaceutical-industry/ https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/joe-rogan-ne... [3]: (i'm not against other strains of capitalism)
- conception 5y ago
  Almost all of those violations are violations of marketing practices. Not that Pfizer is a panacea of Good or anything but the list of violations generally have nothing to do with the science of their products or science in general. And of course, 75 situations over 20 years is meaningless. One situation was a $7,500 workplace safety issue. These aren’t “Pfizer killed people with their products!” violations. Should someone go to jail? Seems odd to throw that out without talking about what the violations were.

maerF0x0 5y ago

> and it wasn't a political thing Where you see "a political thing" I see "a trust thing". I have been burned too many times to sanely remain trusting . It's not politics I dont care if red/blue/pink/pirate team is pushing it, I have lost blind faith and now scrutinize as I'm able. And there used to be a time when I just trusted whatever came under the banner of "Science" thinking that smarter people than me were benevolently doing the best for all. But since I've experienced unexpected costs I've done more research and been shocked at what I found, for example Pfizer the maker of my vaccine has been fined ~$5Bn over 75 separate situations over the past 20 years [1]. Or Merck paying out 4.7Bn in damages , $1Bn in fines -- but gathered $12Bn in sales[2] ... No one went to jail. There is too much corporatism[3] for me to trust. [1]: https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=pfizer&order=pen_year&sort=desc https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=p... [2]: https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/joe-rogan-new-years-eve-tutorial-on-corporate-crime-in-the-pharmaceutical-industry/ https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/joe-rogan-ne... [3]: (i'm not against other strains of capitalism)

conception 5y ago
Almost all of those violations are violations of marketing practices. Not that Pfizer is a panacea of Good or anything but the list of violations generally have nothing to do with the science of their products or science in general. And of course, 75 situations over 20 years is meaningless. One situation was a $7,500 workplace safety issue. These aren’t “Pfizer killed people with their products!” violations. Should someone go to jail? Seems odd to throw that out without talking about what the violations were.