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For me it absolutely would be. Allow me to interact with my (personal, DRM free, already owned and stored locally) digital media as if it were physical media an

For me it absolutely would be. Allow me to interact with my (personal, DRM free, already owned and stored locally) digital media as if it were physical media and you will have my money day one (unless Zuckerberg).

bckr 5y ago
Awesome. Let's go back to "what is the simplest useful implementation"... Let's say you have some static media like PDFs. Let's say you can use VR/AR if you want, but you can also just use your flat screen with a handheld motion controller. Would it be useful to create a 3D world where those PDFs take up space and stay where they're put? Let's say you open an app on your computer that shows you a virtual room, and there's a menu that lets you select a folder from your computer full of PDFs. You open the folder and a pile of physical documents appears as either a stack, a spread, or something messier. Viewing from there would be really important. You'd need to bring the camera in really close to give you the ability to read anything. Or magnifying glasses. Maybe the ability to clone and transform pages and parts of pages while leaving them linked to their parent documents.
- voltaireodactyl 5y ago
  I dig everything you’re saying and think the way forward is something like that. But right now implementations are very limited by screens, in my experience. Like, even if there’s 360 of a virtual space avail to me by dragging the screen, it ends up having the same issues — it seems like, for me, a persistent space is needed. There’s also some research to suggest that having such permanence is helpful to learning — it’s easier to remember info from a physical book because your brain can associate the CONTENT with the actual physical experience of the book itself, which leads to greater retention (I think it’s similar to how mind palaces are meant to function). A mix of AR glasses and physical simulacra is where I expect it to go eventually. As in, I have 10 book “blanks”, and when I use AR glasses, they become whatever I wish (from my library). Ideally I could then flip around the blanks and see the content of the books — making it much more like my actual physical workflow. Tl;dr you’re 100% right that the means and method of viewing are critical to what I’m after. But I think the main through line for me is that if I’m having to manipulate the camera AND the content, it leads back to the same issues I currently face. The point for me is being able to interact as I usually do, but with access to “physical” versions of everything I have digital (albeit with digital convenience — such as exif data readily available on the “back” of a photograph). Hope that all makes sense and thanks for treating this so seriously!

bckr 5y ago

Awesome. Let's go back to "what is the simplest useful implementation"... Let's say you have some static media like PDFs. Let's say you can use VR/AR if you want, but you can also just use your flat screen with a handheld motion controller. Would it be useful to create a 3D world where those PDFs take up space and stay where they're put? Let's say you open an app on your computer that shows you a virtual room, and there's a menu that lets you select a folder from your computer full of PDFs. You open the folder and a pile of physical documents appears as either a stack, a spread, or something messier. Viewing from there would be really important. You'd need to bring the camera in really close to give you the ability to read anything. Or magnifying glasses. Maybe the ability to clone and transform pages and parts of pages while leaving them linked to their parent documents.

voltaireodactyl 5y ago
I dig everything you’re saying and think the way forward is something like that. But right now implementations are very limited by screens, in my experience. Like, even if there’s 360 of a virtual space avail to me by dragging the screen, it ends up having the same issues — it seems like, for me, a persistent space is needed. There’s also some research to suggest that having such permanence is helpful to learning — it’s easier to remember info from a physical book because your brain can associate the CONTENT with the actual physical experience of the book itself, which leads to greater retention (I think it’s similar to how mind palaces are meant to function). A mix of AR glasses and physical simulacra is where I expect it to go eventually. As in, I have 10 book “blanks”, and when I use AR glasses, they become whatever I wish (from my library). Ideally I could then flip around the blanks and see the content of the books — making it much more like my actual physical workflow. Tl;dr you’re 100% right that the means and method of viewing are critical to what I’m after. But I think the main through line for me is that if I’m having to manipulate the camera AND the content, it leads back to the same issues I currently face. The point for me is being able to interact as I usually do, but with access to “physical” versions of everything I have digital (albeit with digital convenience — such as exif data readily available on the “back” of a photograph). Hope that all makes sense and thanks for treating this so seriously!