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> How about the Aerospace Engineer's union, then: https://www.speea.org/ https://www.speea.org/ Pretty sure it's predominately male. And up until a decade or t

> How about the Aerospace Engineer's union, then: https://www.speea.org/ https://www.speea.org/ Pretty sure it's predominately male. And up until a decade or two ago had maybe a single-digit number of possible employers you could be working for. Also fucking goombahs don't have engineering degrees. Again, you're talking about another field the mafia, largely uneducated street people, could never penetrate. Let's at least start your argument from a place of intellectual honesty.

danans 5y ago
> Let's at least start your argument from a place of intellectual honesty. Your original statement: > Also everyone seems to forget that the history of unions in the US is inseparable from mafia racketeering. As we've discussed, major parts of union history has nothing to do with mafia racketeering. Falsely associating all organized labor with the parts that were involved with organized crime is intellectually dishonest.
- busterarm 5y ago
  Right, and despite all of the decades of evidence of problems with union corruption, the pro-unionists still beat the drum of "more unions. right now. we'll figure out the problems later." How about no. How about solve the problems that make corruption inevitable and then maybe I'll support your union.
  - danans 5y ago
    > How about no. How about solve the problems that make corruption inevitable and then maybe I'll support your union. All systems that organize and collect power inevitably experience corruption, including corporations, governments, and religious institutions, not just unions. Even small businesses and sole proprietorships have incentives to engage in corrupt practices like bribery, especially at the local level. Singling out unions for corruption is selective reasoning.
  - JAlexoid 5y ago
    Oh.... I agree! That's why I'm an anarchist and I demand that all government be disbanded immediately, as it's the single most continuously corrupt institution that we experience. (Unless you're a hypocrite, that will support government... while using the same talking points against something you personally don't like)

danans 5y ago

> Let's at least start your argument from a place of intellectual honesty. Your original statement: > Also everyone seems to forget that the history of unions in the US is inseparable from mafia racketeering. As we've discussed, major parts of union history has nothing to do with mafia racketeering. Falsely associating all organized labor with the parts that were involved with organized crime is intellectually dishonest.

busterarm 5y ago
Right, and despite all of the decades of evidence of problems with union corruption, the pro-unionists still beat the drum of "more unions. right now. we'll figure out the problems later." How about no. How about solve the problems that make corruption inevitable and then maybe I'll support your union.
- danans 5y ago
  > How about no. How about solve the problems that make corruption inevitable and then maybe I'll support your union. All systems that organize and collect power inevitably experience corruption, including corporations, governments, and religious institutions, not just unions. Even small businesses and sole proprietorships have incentives to engage in corrupt practices like bribery, especially at the local level. Singling out unions for corruption is selective reasoning.
- JAlexoid 5y ago
  Oh.... I agree! That's why I'm an anarchist and I demand that all government be disbanded immediately, as it's the single most continuously corrupt institution that we experience. (Unless you're a hypocrite, that will support government... while using the same talking points against something you personally don't like)