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Right, but I think there's some incorrect conclusions being drawn. The article asserts that an error in the settings menu appears: "Your cellular plan doesn’t

by 015a 5y ago

Right, but I think there's some incorrect conclusions being drawn. The article asserts that an error in the settings menu appears: "Your cellular plan doesn’t support iCloud Private Relay. With Private Relay turned off, this network can monitor your internet activity, and your IP address is not hidden from known trackers or websites." This doesn't appear to just be a situation where T-Mobile started blocking it at the network level; it appears to be one where Apple submitted. While there's a lot of theories in this comment about how Apple will respond; I don't see that happening (in a public way, of course). Apple's leadership in 2022 doesn't have the same convictions their leadership has had in the past. They're capable of being a positive force for change, in fair weather; but when the weather gets rough, or when forces assert power over their expression of values, they fold.

r-w 5y ago
What, so now displaying an error message means you're responsible for the error? See some of the other threads about why Apple might not like playing dirty to go behind T-Mobile's back--each one needs the other for its good reputation.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Apple was the one who wrote that text out and put it in your iPhone. You can choose to interpret that any way you choose, but it's pretty clear that Apple either really loves and trusts T-Mobile or (more likely) their "Privacy is a Human Right" bit rides shotgun to their moneymaking shtick.
- 015a 5y ago
  Its reasonable to assert that they wrote the error, and they phrased the error message intentionally, in a way which clearly says that they expected carriers to block the service. The settings app is owned by Apple; not T-Mobile; T-Mobile would certainly NEVER admit so plainly that they monitor network activity (even though they do). Alternate phrasing which betrays different expectations: "We could not connect to the iCloud Private Relay servers. This may indicate an issue with your network provider, blah blah blah." No VPNs is mostly standard-operating-procedure in, say, China. That being said: I'd assume that feature, let alone the settings page to configure it, is hidden in versions of the software distributed in countries like that. This error message is likely for countries where the service is available; just not on your carrier. But putting that aside and even considering their stance of submission to the CCP; they betray every spoken value their American executives verbalize. That is standard operating procedure for 2022 Apple, and most other gigacorporations. That is the lens that every statement Tim makes, every word spoken at their keynotes, needs to be viewed through; that they're willing to invest their infinite money in whatever projects they believe aligns with their values, but they're wholly unwilling to stand up for those values when those projects are battle-tested in even such an absolutely inconsequential way as this. Of course, they can prove me wrong by standing up to T-Mobile and using them as an example. I mean my god, you couldn't ask for a better example to make, T-Mobile/Sprint is a fourth-rate bargain bin cellular carrier, we're not talking about a nation state; this is a toddler mad at his parents because they won't let him eat candy for dinner. If they can't even resolve that, what hope do any of their values have?
- Zak 5y ago
  The wording "doesn't support" seems very cooperative; it's less likely to generate angry calls to the network's customer service than "sabotages", "blocks", or "interferes with" - all of which are arguably more accurate descriptions.

by 015a 5y ago

r-w 5y ago

What, so now displaying an error message means you're responsible for the error? See some of the other threads about why Apple might not like playing dirty to go behind T-Mobile's back--each one needs the other for its good reputation.

smoldesu 5y ago
Apple was the one who wrote that text out and put it in your iPhone. You can choose to interpret that any way you choose, but it's pretty clear that Apple either really loves and trusts T-Mobile or (more likely) their "Privacy is a Human Right" bit rides shotgun to their moneymaking shtick.
015a 5y ago
Its reasonable to assert that they wrote the error, and they phrased the error message intentionally, in a way which clearly says that they expected carriers to block the service. The settings app is owned by Apple; not T-Mobile; T-Mobile would certainly NEVER admit so plainly that they monitor network activity (even though they do). Alternate phrasing which betrays different expectations: "We could not connect to the iCloud Private Relay servers. This may indicate an issue with your network provider, blah blah blah." No VPNs is mostly standard-operating-procedure in, say, China. That being said: I'd assume that feature, let alone the settings page to configure it, is hidden in versions of the software distributed in countries like that. This error message is likely for countries where the service is available; just not on your carrier. But putting that aside and even considering their stance of submission to the CCP; they betray every spoken value their American executives verbalize. That is standard operating procedure for 2022 Apple, and most other gigacorporations. That is the lens that every statement Tim makes, every word spoken at their keynotes, needs to be viewed through; that they're willing to invest their infinite money in whatever projects they believe aligns with their values, but they're wholly unwilling to stand up for those values when those projects are battle-tested in even such an absolutely inconsequential way as this. Of course, they can prove me wrong by standing up to T-Mobile and using them as an example. I mean my god, you couldn't ask for a better example to make, T-Mobile/Sprint is a fourth-rate bargain bin cellular carrier, we're not talking about a nation state; this is a toddler mad at his parents because they won't let him eat candy for dinner. If they can't even resolve that, what hope do any of their values have?
Zak 5y ago
The wording "doesn't support" seems very cooperative; it's less likely to generate angry calls to the network's customer service than "sabotages", "blocks", or "interferes with" - all of which are arguably more accurate descriptions.