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The ideas that masks are new and the need for them doesn't have a clear end-date are the major reasons why the opposition is so insistent. After drugs and terr

by mbg721 5y ago

The ideas that masks are new and the need for them doesn't have a clear end-date are the major reasons why the opposition is so insistent. After drugs and terror, the West and especially the US have run out of appetite for endless, unwinnable wars. (Edit: seat-belts address a threat that ought to be persistent, because it's inherent to driving, so they're easier to accept. Covid is, at least allegedly, temporary.)

burkaman 5y ago
I get it, I'm just trying to explain that my reaction to "this is lasting longer than we thought it would" is "I guess the precautions will have to last longer as well", and I believe that is a reasonable reaction. I don't find it difficult to accept that nobody knows when it will end. That's just how it is, we're in a pandemic, it sucks. I don't have any more appetite for it than anyone else, I hate it.
- mbg721 5y ago
  Covid also happened at the same time as a bunch of other political/media holy-wars, which is why it's so bizarrely an us vs. them issue in the US. If seat-belts had been advocated by people half the country considered untrustworthy for unrelated reasons, they wouldn't be so universal today.
  - burkaman 5y ago
    Isn't that basically what happened with seatbelts? For example: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1986-06-29-8602080321-story.html https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1986-06-29-86020803... I wasn't alive in the 80s, but honestly it seems pretty similar. A lot of people hated the laws, there were public fights and court challenges for a while, and then eventually society got over it.
    - mbg721 5y ago
      I guess you might be right, although I consider it a little unpalatable that the side I would have agreed with lost so thoroughly. The pre-Fox-News media were the media who declared the Vietnam War lost and salivated at being the fourth branch of government during Watergate.

by mbg721 5y ago

burkaman 5y ago

I get it, I'm just trying to explain that my reaction to "this is lasting longer than we thought it would" is "I guess the precautions will have to last longer as well", and I believe that is a reasonable reaction. I don't find it difficult to accept that nobody knows when it will end. That's just how it is, we're in a pandemic, it sucks. I don't have any more appetite for it than anyone else, I hate it.

mbg721 5y ago
Covid also happened at the same time as a bunch of other political/media holy-wars, which is why it's so bizarrely an us vs. them issue in the US. If seat-belts had been advocated by people half the country considered untrustworthy for unrelated reasons, they wouldn't be so universal today.
- burkaman 5y ago
  Isn't that basically what happened with seatbelts? For example: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1986-06-29-8602080321-story.html https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1986-06-29-86020803... I wasn't alive in the 80s, but honestly it seems pretty similar. A lot of people hated the laws, there were public fights and court challenges for a while, and then eventually society got over it.
  - mbg721 5y ago
    I guess you might be right, although I consider it a little unpalatable that the side I would have agreed with lost so thoroughly. The pre-Fox-News media were the media who declared the Vietnam War lost and salivated at being the fourth branch of government during Watergate.