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Not that I agree with the parent comment's sentiment, but from the article: > Preliminary state data suggest that more than 90 percent of today’s deaths are st

Not that I agree with the parent comment's sentiment, but from the article: > Preliminary state data suggest that more than 90 percent of today’s deaths are still among unvaccinated people. Source they provided: https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-sta... From the numbers, it seems fairly clear that this virus is much more likely to cause death amongst the unvaccinated - unless I'm misinterpreting.

hammock 5y ago
Do you know what the death rate is today, among either group (vaccinated or unvaccinated)? Your link is pre-omicron, by the way.
- mythrwy 5y ago
  https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-big-data-study-of-145-countries https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-big-data-study-of-145...
  - majormajor 5y ago
    All I see there is poorly-presented correlations that ignore a constantly changing environment. Looks like someone picking and choosing numbers to support the position they want to take, while ignoring all the other data and evidence that disagrees. Where I live, in California, there has been a months-long-and-holding-steady trend that vaccinated people have much lower cases per capita and much, MUCH lower deaths per capita. Total cases went up when we relaxed restrictions which coincided with when vaccines were widespread. That's not the same as vaccinations causing those higher total case numbers! Now total case numbers are going up again due to seasonal factors + omicron having a lot of mutations; it's too early to say just yet exactly how the vax/unvax per-capita numbers will look for this wave when it's over. As of Dec 26, it was tracking pretty similarly, though[0]... it seems to blow up that dude's case: many fewer vaccination doses are being given now than during the last big waves! EDIT: here are the money bits that I would need to see really compelling evidence to believe are coincidental/misinterpreted/etc: * From December 20, 2021 to December 26, 2021, unvaccinated people were 3.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people. * From December 13, 2021 to December 19, 2021, unvaccinated people were 10.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people. * From December 6, 2021 to December 12, 2021, unvaccinated people were 16.6 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people. Transmission, severity, and death, all. And that's after the omicron variant reached the state, especially for transmission, though admittedly before it has peaked (it possibly hasn't even peaked yet, still). [0] https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/#postvax-status https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/#postvax-status
  - NicoJuicy 5y ago
    Just mentioning, but 30 october is still pre-omicron in many areas
mythrwy 5y ago
"Killing each other off" indicates mass die off. Are we seeing mass die off? Given that fully vaxxed places are blowing up in case numbers, the vax obviously isn't stopping transmission much if at all right now. Many more people are vaxxed then not right now. So if you are unvaxed and infected on a trip to the store who most likely gave it to you? A vaxxed person or an unvaxxed person? "Unvaxxed killing each other off" is a hysterical take and inaccurate.
- TaylorAlexander 5y ago
  I don’t know if an average of 1500 deaths a day counts as “mass die off” or not, but it kind of feels like it does.
  - chrismcb 5y ago
    You know that precovid about 8000 people died each day in the USA?
    - TaylorAlexander 5y ago
      Sure. So an increase of 20% every day from a single cause is significant.
  - tata71 5y ago
    "That's not even a 9/11!"
  - mythrwy 5y ago
    If you had a flock of a million birds and sixty of them died and you wrote a thesis with the term "mass die off" you would be laughed out of the room. According to NatGeo "mass die off" is 90% of the population. I'd be alarmed at 6% die off in humans and not even be posting on the topic, but we are at less then 1%. For the unvaxxed. "Killing each other off" just doesn't fit here.
  - walterbell 5y ago
    In some countries, there was no major difference in annual All-Cause deaths between 2020 and prior years, which suggested that some deaths (with? of?) Covid were accelerated by a few months, but would have happened even without Covid due to existing ailments/co-morbidities. Some countries reported more all-cause deaths for 2020. Some states/countries sent Covid-infected patients into nursing homes, which did not help.
walterbell 5y ago
You're aware that "unvaccinated" includes the vaccinated < 14 days after 2nd shot? UK numbers show that only 1% of Covid-recovered people are reinfected, which is why the EU pass equated recovery with vaccination (which does not prevent infection or transmission). It would be more accurate if US hospital data was separated into: Fully vax Partly vax Unvax + Covid-recovered Unvax + Covid-naive

hammock 5y ago

Do you know what the death rate is today, among either group (vaccinated or unvaccinated)? Your link is pre-omicron, by the way.

mythrwy 5y ago
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-big-data-study-of-145-countries https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-big-data-study-of-145...
- majormajor 5y ago
  All I see there is poorly-presented correlations that ignore a constantly changing environment. Looks like someone picking and choosing numbers to support the position they want to take, while ignoring all the other data and evidence that disagrees. Where I live, in California, there has been a months-long-and-holding-steady trend that vaccinated people have much lower cases per capita and much, MUCH lower deaths per capita. Total cases went up when we relaxed restrictions which coincided with when vaccines were widespread. That's not the same as vaccinations causing those higher total case numbers! Now total case numbers are going up again due to seasonal factors + omicron having a lot of mutations; it's too early to say just yet exactly how the vax/unvax per-capita numbers will look for this wave when it's over. As of Dec 26, it was tracking pretty similarly, though[0]... it seems to blow up that dude's case: many fewer vaccination doses are being given now than during the last big waves! EDIT: here are the money bits that I would need to see really compelling evidence to believe are coincidental/misinterpreted/etc: * From December 20, 2021 to December 26, 2021, unvaccinated people were 3.9 times more likely to get COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people. * From December 13, 2021 to December 19, 2021, unvaccinated people were 10.1 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people. * From December 6, 2021 to December 12, 2021, unvaccinated people were 16.6 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people. Transmission, severity, and death, all. And that's after the omicron variant reached the state, especially for transmission, though admittedly before it has peaked (it possibly hasn't even peaked yet, still). [0] https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/#postvax-status https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/#postvax-status
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  Just mentioning, but 30 october is still pre-omicron in many areas

mythrwy 5y ago

"Killing each other off" indicates mass die off. Are we seeing mass die off? Given that fully vaxxed places are blowing up in case numbers, the vax obviously isn't stopping transmission much if at all right now. Many more people are vaxxed then not right now. So if you are unvaxed and infected on a trip to the store who most likely gave it to you? A vaxxed person or an unvaxxed person? "Unvaxxed killing each other off" is a hysterical take and inaccurate.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago
I don’t know if an average of 1500 deaths a day counts as “mass die off” or not, but it kind of feels like it does.
- chrismcb 5y ago
  You know that precovid about 8000 people died each day in the USA?
  - TaylorAlexander 5y ago
    Sure. So an increase of 20% every day from a single cause is significant.
- tata71 5y ago
  "That's not even a 9/11!"
- mythrwy 5y ago
  If you had a flock of a million birds and sixty of them died and you wrote a thesis with the term "mass die off" you would be laughed out of the room. According to NatGeo "mass die off" is 90% of the population. I'd be alarmed at 6% die off in humans and not even be posting on the topic, but we are at less then 1%. For the unvaxxed. "Killing each other off" just doesn't fit here.
- walterbell 5y ago
  In some countries, there was no major difference in annual All-Cause deaths between 2020 and prior years, which suggested that some deaths (with? of?) Covid were accelerated by a few months, but would have happened even without Covid due to existing ailments/co-morbidities. Some countries reported more all-cause deaths for 2020. Some states/countries sent Covid-infected patients into nursing homes, which did not help.

walterbell 5y ago

You're aware that "unvaccinated" includes the vaccinated < 14 days after 2nd shot? UK numbers show that only 1% of Covid-recovered people are reinfected, which is why the EU pass equated recovery with vaccination (which does not prevent infection or transmission). It would be more accurate if US hospital data was separated into: Fully vax Partly vax Unvax + Covid-recovered Unvax + Covid-naive