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> It's also easy for you to bring up teachers and nurses' unions not being mafia controlled -- jobs predominantly staffed with women. The American mafia literal
by danans 5y ago
> It's also easy for you to bring up teachers and nurses' unions not being mafia controlled -- jobs predominantly staffed with women. The American mafia literally cannot have women members per its own rules, so of course they couldn't influence those unions.
How about the Aerospace Engineer's union, then: https://www.speea.org/ https://www.speea.org/
Pretty sure it's predominately male.
> If you do your research though, you'll see that the Russian mafia is heavily skimming from medical services through control of the nurses' union in Germany. There is no reason they couldn't replicate that here.
Organized crime could get entrenched in any industry given enough incentives and lack of rule of law, and just as much: lack of protection by the law for regular people. I could just as easily say the mafia could start heavily skimming the bagel business.
If you have any evidence that teachers and nurses unions are any more likely to fall into that, or that current manufacturing or professional unions are beholden to organized crime, present it. Otherwise it's just an attempt to smear all industries' organized labor with the past of a very specific sector.
- busterarm 5y ago> How about the Aerospace Engineer's union, then: https://www.speea.org/ https://www.speea.org/ Pretty sure it's predominately male. And up until a decade or two ago had maybe a single-digit number of possible employers you could be working for. Also fucking goombahs don't have engineering degrees. Again, you're talking about another field the mafia, largely uneducated street people, could never penetrate. Let's at least start your argument from a place of intellectual honesty.
- danans 5y ago> Let's at least start your argument from a place of intellectual honesty. Your original statement: > Also everyone seems to forget that the history of unions in the US is inseparable from mafia racketeering. As we've discussed, major parts of union history has nothing to do with mafia racketeering. Falsely associating all organized labor with the parts that were involved with organized crime is intellectually dishonest.
- busterarm 5y agoRight, and despite all of the decades of evidence of problems with union corruption, the pro-unionists still beat the drum of "more unions. right now. we'll figure out the problems later." How about no. How about solve the problems that make corruption inevitable and then maybe I'll support your union.
- danans 5y ago> How about no. How about solve the problems that make corruption inevitable and then maybe I'll support your union. All systems that organize and collect power inevitably experience corruption, including corporations, governments, and religious institutions, not just unions. Even small businesses and sole proprietorships have incentives to engage in corrupt practices like bribery, especially at the local level. Singling out unions for corruption is selective reasoning.
- JAlexoid 5y agoOh.... I agree! That's why I'm an anarchist and I demand that all government be disbanded immediately, as it's the single most continuously corrupt institution that we experience. (Unless you're a hypocrite, that will support government... while using the same talking points against something you personally don't like)