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These kinds of shenanigans are exactly the reason you shouldn't trust carriers with plain text data. People bash Apple for not adopting RCS over iMessage but it

These kinds of shenanigans are exactly the reason you shouldn't trust carriers with plain text data. People bash Apple for not adopting RCS over iMessage but it would just lead to more crap like this but for your text messages.

tomComb 5y ago
RCS supports E2E encryption, and Google's apps implement it. (And I think the complaints about iMessage are its exclusivity - the best solution is an iMessage for Android.)
- hedgehog 5y ago
  Thanks, I missed they'd added E2E last summer. It looks like it's only for 1:1 chats and only on some phones depending on handset vendor and carrier, is that accurate? If so it still seems like adding RCS would have pretty limited usefulness vs interop with say WhatsApp. I don't fault any one company on the messiness of the situation, it's kind of a tragedy of the commons situation. Apple isn't willing to compromise the UX complexity of adding more messaging types with different behavior, Google isn't willing to force carriers and handset manufacturers to make RCS really good, and carriers just don't care about anything other than ARPU and being "value added". Oh, and WhatsApp interop will never happen even though that would probably actually be good because Facebook.
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- xanaxagoras 5y ago
  How about Signal pre-installed by iOS and Android with no other default messaging apps?
ballenf 5y ago
Carriers generally don't care about payloads, they can monetize you from the metadata. What kind of websites you frequent and when. They don't need to know which color of maternity clothes you're shopping for to know you're pregnant.
jeroenhd 5y ago
RCS is a shitty system set up by a shitty telco industry. The protocol is behind what most countries in the world use already. I see it as just an attempt from the telco industry to start charging subscriptions for Whatsapp again, but about five to ten years too late. iMessage would be fine if it wasn't for the shitty vendor lock-out. Everyone I know uses some kind of cross platform chat app, usually either Whatsapp or Telegram. It's sad to see the green bubble shaming that Apple's exclusionary tactics has created be of such influence in US social circles.
Rebelgecko 5y ago
TMobile's RCS supports e2e encryption

tomComb 5y ago

RCS supports E2E encryption, and Google's apps implement it. (And I think the complaints about iMessage are its exclusivity - the best solution is an iMessage for Android.)

hedgehog 5y ago
Thanks, I missed they'd added E2E last summer. It looks like it's only for 1:1 chats and only on some phones depending on handset vendor and carrier, is that accurate? If so it still seems like adding RCS would have pretty limited usefulness vs interop with say WhatsApp. I don't fault any one company on the messiness of the situation, it's kind of a tragedy of the commons situation. Apple isn't willing to compromise the UX complexity of adding more messaging types with different behavior, Google isn't willing to force carriers and handset manufacturers to make RCS really good, and carriers just don't care about anything other than ARPU and being "value added". Oh, and WhatsApp interop will never happen even though that would probably actually be good because Facebook.
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xanaxagoras 5y ago
How about Signal pre-installed by iOS and Android with no other default messaging apps?

ballenf 5y ago

Carriers generally don't care about payloads, they can monetize you from the metadata. What kind of websites you frequent and when. They don't need to know which color of maternity clothes you're shopping for to know you're pregnant.

jeroenhd 5y ago

RCS is a shitty system set up by a shitty telco industry. The protocol is behind what most countries in the world use already. I see it as just an attempt from the telco industry to start charging subscriptions for Whatsapp again, but about five to ten years too late. iMessage would be fine if it wasn't for the shitty vendor lock-out. Everyone I know uses some kind of cross platform chat app, usually either Whatsapp or Telegram. It's sad to see the green bubble shaming that Apple's exclusionary tactics has created be of such influence in US social circles.

Rebelgecko 5y ago

TMobile's RCS supports e2e encryption