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It is also the west vs China. Although not Westerners against Chinese (my kids are welcome to play with the Chinese kids next door and the Chinese next door ar

It is also the west vs China. Although not Westerners against Chinese (my kids are welcome to play with the Chinese kids next door and the Chinese next door are just as welcome as any other neighbor to a garden party). But it should be the world against crimes against humanity. And then we Westerners will also have to clean up our own systems; that is just as important, but a smaller task.

trasz 5y ago
It’s not China who killed million random civilians in the Middle East. Was there a more severe crime against humanity in the past two decades?
- didntknowya 5y ago
  apparently some crimes against humanity are worse than the others
- somesortofsystm 5y ago
  Wasn't just a random million. Iraq lost 5% of its population to America's war of aggression.
- aerostable_slug 5y ago
  Rwanda would come really, really close. It's arguably worse because those people weren't collateral damage — their deaths were the point of the exercise. We don't know how many people have died as a direct result of Chinese internal policies and we likely never will. They certainly cannot be believed with any statements about human rights, imprisonment, or executions on any level. I would likely extend that to education due to rampant cheating and the interests of the central government (to look as good as possible regardless of the facts), but that is a separate conversation. At the current rate, all ~13 million Uighurs in mainland China will effectively cease to exist in a generation or three. They'll still exist in genetic terms, but their culture will have been erased except for small pockets of holdouts, who will be hunted down and assimilated/imprisoned. This isn't to minimize the death toll of the War on Terror, but rather to not allow seriously bad actors to escape the scrutiny they deserve.
  - trasz 5y ago
    Why are Uighurs going to “cease” given their population is steadily increasing? And how is their culture eradicated when there are government programs to help it, and it’s being taught in schools?
    - aerostable_slug 5y ago
      What are you talking about? The central government even banned a list of popular names to give newborns (sorry Muhammad, you can't have Muhammad Jr.). They are being culturally blunted and they will likely eventually be bred out of being a distinct group. https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-prayer-weddings-occasions-9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-pr... https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_china-video-ad-calls-100-uighur-women-urgently-marry-han-men/6194806.html https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_c... https://share.america.gov/china-coerces-uyghur-women-into-unwanted-marriages/ https://share.america.gov/china-coerces-uyghur-women-into-un... The latter two links are indeed .gov propaganda outlets, but their reporting on this issue is accurate. It's very easy to find more sources.
LatteLazy 5y ago
I'd like that. It should be that. But it's really not. No one is actually willing to take any action on China sadly.

trasz 5y ago

It’s not China who killed million random civilians in the Middle East. Was there a more severe crime against humanity in the past two decades?

didntknowya 5y ago
apparently some crimes against humanity are worse than the others
somesortofsystm 5y ago
Wasn't just a random million. Iraq lost 5% of its population to America's war of aggression.
aerostable_slug 5y ago
Rwanda would come really, really close. It's arguably worse because those people weren't collateral damage — their deaths were the point of the exercise. We don't know how many people have died as a direct result of Chinese internal policies and we likely never will. They certainly cannot be believed with any statements about human rights, imprisonment, or executions on any level. I would likely extend that to education due to rampant cheating and the interests of the central government (to look as good as possible regardless of the facts), but that is a separate conversation. At the current rate, all ~13 million Uighurs in mainland China will effectively cease to exist in a generation or three. They'll still exist in genetic terms, but their culture will have been erased except for small pockets of holdouts, who will be hunted down and assimilated/imprisoned. This isn't to minimize the death toll of the War on Terror, but rather to not allow seriously bad actors to escape the scrutiny they deserve.
- trasz 5y ago
  Why are Uighurs going to “cease” given their population is steadily increasing? And how is their culture eradicated when there are government programs to help it, and it’s being taught in schools?
  - aerostable_slug 5y ago
    What are you talking about? The central government even banned a list of popular names to give newborns (sorry Muhammad, you can't have Muhammad Jr.). They are being culturally blunted and they will likely eventually be bred out of being a distinct group. https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-prayer-weddings-occasions-9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-pr... https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_china-video-ad-calls-100-uighur-women-urgently-marry-han-men/6194806.html https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_c... https://share.america.gov/china-coerces-uyghur-women-into-unwanted-marriages/ https://share.america.gov/china-coerces-uyghur-women-into-un... The latter two links are indeed .gov propaganda outlets, but their reporting on this issue is accurate. It's very easy to find more sources.

LatteLazy 5y ago

I'd like that. It should be that. But it's really not. No one is actually willing to take any action on China sadly.