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I mean, my stance on seatbelts is never going to change even if car accidents never stop happening. I have no idea how I'll feel about masks and everything else

I mean, my stance on seatbelts is never going to change even if car accidents never stop happening. I have no idea how I'll feel about masks and everything else in 3 years, but for the moment it's not crazy to say "I think we should keep taking precautions as long as the problem still exists".

yupper32 5y ago
If Covid restrictions were as easy and inconsequential as seatbelts, I wouldn't have an issue doing it indefinitely. But they're not even close.
- nathanaldensr 5y ago
  The false equivalencies in this thread are astounding.
- namarie 5y ago
  Masks in particular are pretty easy and inconsequential.
  - yupper32 5y ago
    In what way? I have to cover my face every time I talk to someone. That's in no way inconsequential. It's depressing and antisocial. I have to wear a mask while at the gym. That's in no way easy, particularly for cardio. I'm lucky that I can work from home, otherwise I'd be wearing a mask for nearly my entire day at work. And of course masking is just a part of the overall Covid restrictions that we still have to deal with. To be clear, I'm in the bay area and fully follow local mask guidance. I can do that while also trying to figure out how long we can do this for, and acknowledging that I can't do this forever.
    - namarie 5y ago
      > I have to cover my face every time I talk to someone. That's in no way inconsequential. It's depressing and antisocial. Is it? Why? > I have to wear a mask while at the gym. That's in no way easy, particularly for cardio. Of course it isn't at first. If society was such that we already used masks all the time I suspect people would just get used to it. > I'm lucky that I can work from home, otherwise I'd be wearing a mask for nearly my entire day at work. And...? We also wear clothes all day long at work. I suppose some people would call it bothersome or depressing or antisocial, but mostly we're all so used to it we don't even think about it. I'm not opining on whether or not society can keep intermittently locking down forever, but we can certainly keep masking forever.
      - yupper32 5y ago
        > If society was such that we already used masks all the time I suspect people would just get used to it. Huh? You don't just get used to a soggy, restricting mask. I tried running with a mask for like 3 months and it sucked the entire time. > We also wear clothes all day long at work. I don't think my belly button would contribute as much to building connections with people as my facial expressions do. > we can certainly keep masking forever. I can't. Period. And I don't think I'm a minority here.
        namarie 5y ago
        > Huh? You don't just get used to a soggy, restricting mask. I tried running with a mask for like 3 months and it sucked the entire time. Sure you do, the same way you get used to soggy clothes. You're telling me you ran with a mask for 3 months with no major issues other than "it's soggy and it sucked". Of course, but soggy clothes suck. > I don't think my belly button would contribute as much to building connections with people as my facial expressions do. Plenty of ways to build connections with people without them seeing the entirety of your face. Heck, I've plenty of internet friends who have never seen any part of it! > I can't. Period. And I don't think I'm a minority here. What I'm saying is: yes, people could, as in, they won't die or be permanently injured by it. At most there would be a few minor inconveniences, particularly during the time it takes for people to adapt. People say they can't, in general, to mean that they won't and as a way to feel less guilty about it.
      - horns4lyfe 5y ago
        Covering half your face is absolutely antisocial and depressing unless you never go outside. I’m convinced some posters here never leave their homes.
  - maximus-decimus 5y ago
    Apart from the fact they make it harder to breathe, speak, hear people, are uncomfortably warm in the summer, become completely wet from water condensation in the winter, are hard to put on/off if you're walking with stuff in you hands/have a hat, make it impossible to read lips so fuck deaf people and make it harder to communicate non-verbally. I can understand people who say it's worth it, but not those who say it's inconsequential. Especially compared to seat belts.
  - horns4lyfe 5y ago
    That is absolutely not true. Aside from the consequences of people not seeing each other’s faces, there are dumb things like having to wear a mask in a gym. Wearing a cloth mask while working out is not easy or inconsequential.
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mbg721 5y ago
The ideas that masks are new and the need for them doesn't have a clear end-date are the major reasons why the opposition is so insistent. After drugs and terror, the West and especially the US have run out of appetite for endless, unwinnable wars. (Edit: seat-belts address a threat that ought to be persistent, because it's inherent to driving, so they're easier to accept. Covid is, at least allegedly, temporary.)
- burkaman 5y ago
  I get it, I'm just trying to explain that my reaction to "this is lasting longer than we thought it would" is "I guess the precautions will have to last longer as well", and I believe that is a reasonable reaction. I don't find it difficult to accept that nobody knows when it will end. That's just how it is, we're in a pandemic, it sucks. I don't have any more appetite for it than anyone else, I hate it.
  - mbg721 5y ago
    Covid also happened at the same time as a bunch of other political/media holy-wars, which is why it's so bizarrely an us vs. them issue in the US. If seat-belts had been advocated by people half the country considered untrustworthy for unrelated reasons, they wouldn't be so universal today.
    - burkaman 5y ago
      Isn't that basically what happened with seatbelts? For example: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1986-06-29-8602080321-story.html https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1986-06-29-86020803... I wasn't alive in the 80s, but honestly it seems pretty similar. A lot of people hated the laws, there were public fights and court challenges for a while, and then eventually society got over it.
      - mbg721 5y ago
        I guess you might be right, although I consider it a little unpalatable that the side I would have agreed with lost so thoroughly. The pre-Fox-News media were the media who declared the Vietnam War lost and salivated at being the fourth branch of government during Watergate.
horns4lyfe 5y ago
So you’re saying forever then, because Covid is not going away. Do you honestly think people should be forced to wear masks for the rest of their lives?

yupper32 5y ago

If Covid restrictions were as easy and inconsequential as seatbelts, I wouldn't have an issue doing it indefinitely. But they're not even close.

nathanaldensr 5y ago
The false equivalencies in this thread are astounding.
namarie 5y ago
Masks in particular are pretty easy and inconsequential.
- yupper32 5y ago
  In what way? I have to cover my face every time I talk to someone. That's in no way inconsequential. It's depressing and antisocial. I have to wear a mask while at the gym. That's in no way easy, particularly for cardio. I'm lucky that I can work from home, otherwise I'd be wearing a mask for nearly my entire day at work. And of course masking is just a part of the overall Covid restrictions that we still have to deal with. To be clear, I'm in the bay area and fully follow local mask guidance. I can do that while also trying to figure out how long we can do this for, and acknowledging that I can't do this forever.
  - namarie 5y ago
    > I have to cover my face every time I talk to someone. That's in no way inconsequential. It's depressing and antisocial. Is it? Why? > I have to wear a mask while at the gym. That's in no way easy, particularly for cardio. Of course it isn't at first. If society was such that we already used masks all the time I suspect people would just get used to it. > I'm lucky that I can work from home, otherwise I'd be wearing a mask for nearly my entire day at work. And...? We also wear clothes all day long at work. I suppose some people would call it bothersome or depressing or antisocial, but mostly we're all so used to it we don't even think about it. I'm not opining on whether or not society can keep intermittently locking down forever, but we can certainly keep masking forever.
    - yupper32 5y ago
      > If society was such that we already used masks all the time I suspect people would just get used to it. Huh? You don't just get used to a soggy, restricting mask. I tried running with a mask for like 3 months and it sucked the entire time. > We also wear clothes all day long at work. I don't think my belly button would contribute as much to building connections with people as my facial expressions do. > we can certainly keep masking forever. I can't. Period. And I don't think I'm a minority here.
      - namarie 5y ago
        > Huh? You don't just get used to a soggy, restricting mask. I tried running with a mask for like 3 months and it sucked the entire time. Sure you do, the same way you get used to soggy clothes. You're telling me you ran with a mask for 3 months with no major issues other than "it's soggy and it sucked". Of course, but soggy clothes suck. > I don't think my belly button would contribute as much to building connections with people as my facial expressions do. Plenty of ways to build connections with people without them seeing the entirety of your face. Heck, I've plenty of internet friends who have never seen any part of it! > I can't. Period. And I don't think I'm a minority here. What I'm saying is: yes, people could, as in, they won't die or be permanently injured by it. At most there would be a few minor inconveniences, particularly during the time it takes for people to adapt. People say they can't, in general, to mean that they won't and as a way to feel less guilty about it.
    - horns4lyfe 5y ago
      Covering half your face is absolutely antisocial and depressing unless you never go outside. I’m convinced some posters here never leave their homes.
- maximus-decimus 5y ago
  Apart from the fact they make it harder to breathe, speak, hear people, are uncomfortably warm in the summer, become completely wet from water condensation in the winter, are hard to put on/off if you're walking with stuff in you hands/have a hat, make it impossible to read lips so fuck deaf people and make it harder to communicate non-verbally. I can understand people who say it's worth it, but not those who say it's inconsequential. Especially compared to seat belts.
- horns4lyfe 5y ago
  That is absolutely not true. Aside from the consequences of people not seeing each other’s faces, there are dumb things like having to wear a mask in a gym. Wearing a cloth mask while working out is not easy or inconsequential.

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mbg721 5y ago

The ideas that masks are new and the need for them doesn't have a clear end-date are the major reasons why the opposition is so insistent. After drugs and terror, the West and especially the US have run out of appetite for endless, unwinnable wars. (Edit: seat-belts address a threat that ought to be persistent, because it's inherent to driving, so they're easier to accept. Covid is, at least allegedly, temporary.)

burkaman 5y ago
I get it, I'm just trying to explain that my reaction to "this is lasting longer than we thought it would" is "I guess the precautions will have to last longer as well", and I believe that is a reasonable reaction. I don't find it difficult to accept that nobody knows when it will end. That's just how it is, we're in a pandemic, it sucks. I don't have any more appetite for it than anyone else, I hate it.
- mbg721 5y ago
  Covid also happened at the same time as a bunch of other political/media holy-wars, which is why it's so bizarrely an us vs. them issue in the US. If seat-belts had been advocated by people half the country considered untrustworthy for unrelated reasons, they wouldn't be so universal today.
  - burkaman 5y ago
    Isn't that basically what happened with seatbelts? For example: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1986-06-29-8602080321-story.html https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1986-06-29-86020803... I wasn't alive in the 80s, but honestly it seems pretty similar. A lot of people hated the laws, there were public fights and court challenges for a while, and then eventually society got over it.
    - mbg721 5y ago
      I guess you might be right, although I consider it a little unpalatable that the side I would have agreed with lost so thoroughly. The pre-Fox-News media were the media who declared the Vietnam War lost and salivated at being the fourth branch of government during Watergate.

horns4lyfe 5y ago

So you’re saying forever then, because Covid is not going away. Do you honestly think people should be forced to wear masks for the rest of their lives?