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I find it funny how deeply sexist the representation of findings like this are. Essentially the finding is that men, according to their study, are hugely discri

I find it funny how deeply sexist the representation of findings like this are. Essentially the finding is that men, according to their study, are hugely discriminated against. This lack of meritocracy is not considered or portrayed as bad, but rather described as a great step forward for women. One sees similar portrayals of e.g. the gender education gap, which massively favours girls, as a triumph, rather than a problem. Sometimes the massively higher rate of male homelessness is even made out to be about how our statistics must be biased against registering women who are slumming it by e.g. couch surfing... There seems a massive bias in the social sciences against men.

scarmig 5y ago
One of the things that always amuses me is when people complain about the underrepresentation of women in STEM majors. Why? It's actually 50/50. Women are only underrepresented in STEM majors in the sense that they aren't as overrepresented in them as they are in non-STEM areas of study.
- midiguy 5y ago
  Maybe in S.... in TEM (especially computer science and engineering) there is no way it is close to 50/50.
  - scarmig 5y ago
    STEM is a category. As a whole, it's split pretty much 50/50. I'm sure you can slice and dice it into subcategories and then pick and choose those that have a higher number of men, but I can do the exact same thing with those subcategories you arbitrarily exclude to create a mirror image showing how STEM is biased against men. But it's a silly game.
- fivea 5y ago
  > Why? It's actually 50/50. Is it, though? I'm sure it's not, and the ratio of women to men is much much lower. I know of a FANG which rejects male candidates with PhDs but goes to the extents of admitting female candidates with a single boot camp on their resume, and even then most teams barely have more than a couple of women in their ranks.
  - scarmig 5y ago
    Source: https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2017/nsf17310/static/data/tab5-1.pdf https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2017/nsf17310/static/data/tab... It's true that in CS in particular, there are more men graduating than women. But people should say that instead of just "STEM." And they should probably express concern about not enough men studying e.g. biology, especially since many of the career paths that biology is a prerequisite for are relatively stable and well-paying.
ya_throw 5y ago
>This lack of meritocracy is not considered or portrayed as bad Oh no, it must continue until historical wrongs are righted!

scarmig 5y ago

One of the things that always amuses me is when people complain about the underrepresentation of women in STEM majors. Why? It's actually 50/50. Women are only underrepresented in STEM majors in the sense that they aren't as overrepresented in them as they are in non-STEM areas of study.

midiguy 5y ago
Maybe in S.... in TEM (especially computer science and engineering) there is no way it is close to 50/50.
- scarmig 5y ago
  STEM is a category. As a whole, it's split pretty much 50/50. I'm sure you can slice and dice it into subcategories and then pick and choose those that have a higher number of men, but I can do the exact same thing with those subcategories you arbitrarily exclude to create a mirror image showing how STEM is biased against men. But it's a silly game.
fivea 5y ago
> Why? It's actually 50/50. Is it, though? I'm sure it's not, and the ratio of women to men is much much lower. I know of a FANG which rejects male candidates with PhDs but goes to the extents of admitting female candidates with a single boot camp on their resume, and even then most teams barely have more than a couple of women in their ranks.
- scarmig 5y ago
  Source: https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2017/nsf17310/static/data/tab5-1.pdf https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2017/nsf17310/static/data/tab... It's true that in CS in particular, there are more men graduating than women. But people should say that instead of just "STEM." And they should probably express concern about not enough men studying e.g. biology, especially since many of the career paths that biology is a prerequisite for are relatively stable and well-paying.

ya_throw 5y ago

>This lack of meritocracy is not considered or portrayed as bad Oh no, it must continue until historical wrongs are righted!