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Who knows? That's the point.

by defaultprimate 5y ago

Steltek 5y ago
The mRNA Covid vaccines do not alter your DNA. Conspiracy theorist nonsense and lies don't belong in this forum.
- defaultprimate 5y ago
  - Steltek 5y ago
    One of the co-author's of that pre-print paper does not agree with your interpretation of his work. > “There is absolutely no reason to believe that any of the vaccine mRNA is doing the same thing. The viral spike protein mRNA is a tiny piece. Vaccines are not inducing LINE element RTs,” said Young. “Vaccines are protecting against the possibility of long-term seriously debilitating diseases or death.” So yes, you are spreading anti-vax conspiracy theories. And this is why misinformation is treated as dangerous. It takes too much time and effort to repair the damage caused by this insane drivel. (Also, other readers should note that OP edited his comment after my reply to remove the DNA modification boogeyman, although he seems to have doubled-down on it...)
    - defaultprimate 5y ago
      - throw10920 5y ago
        I'm probably aligned with you politically, but you're acting extremely abrasively and arrogantly and HN isn't the place for that. You can calmly state your position and link sources without the rudeness. Please read the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        defaultprimate 5y ago
        People who refer to anyone that doesn't believe their same exact dogma as conspiracy theorists are not worthy of good faith or respect. There's nothing conspiratorial about wanting to do science to explore unknowns consequences of known potential outcome. I'm done entertaining respect for folks that claim otherwise. It's bad faith and just generally being an asshole. They can take it if they're gonna dish it out
        throw10920 5y ago
        Reading some of your other posts here, you have a lot of good points, and good data that I wasn't aware of before - so I want you to keep commenting, just not as offensively. From a positive/factual perspective, speaking like you have will get you downvoted, flagged, and maybe even banned (it's unusual but it does happen) from HN. You're taking an unpopular position in a rude way and people don't like that. Adjusting the way you speak will get people to at least read and consider your points (if I see rude language in a comment that I'm inclined to disagree with already, my brain shuts off quick). From a normative perspective, I believe that even people who refer to others as conspiracy theorists are worthy of respect - I'm a Christian and so I believe that all humans are made in God's image, including the ones that I vehemently disagree with, or the ones that try to silence my voice. Again, I agree with a lot of the points you're making, and I want more people to see them, so please please please consider changing the approach you take on HN.
        defaultprimate 5y ago
        I've only been rude to the asshole that came out of the gate swinging with accusations of being a conspiracy theorist.
- bondarchuk 5y ago
  Noone upthread said that they alter DNA. I continue to be baffled by people bringing this up out of nowhere.
  - Steltek 5y ago
    He edited his comment some time after I composed my reply. He directly claimed that mRNA vaccines alter your DNA and "modified your cells". For the second part, being generous, you could say that the point of a vaccine is to modify your immune cells but it's more likely it was unfounded paranoia.
    - bondarchuk 5y ago
      Fair enough.
    - Izkata 5y ago
      I have seen this claim elsewhere, and the people who bring it up know about reverse-transcriptase [0], an enzyme that can convert RNA to DNA. I've never seen anyone attempt to address that part of their claim, instead people just say "RNA is not DNA, duh." and leave it at that. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_transcriptase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_transcriptase
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Who knows? That's the point.

Steltek 5y ago

The mRNA Covid vaccines do not alter your DNA. Conspiracy theorist nonsense and lies don't belong in this forum.

defaultprimate 5y ago
- Steltek 5y ago
  One of the co-author's of that pre-print paper does not agree with your interpretation of his work. > “There is absolutely no reason to believe that any of the vaccine mRNA is doing the same thing. The viral spike protein mRNA is a tiny piece. Vaccines are not inducing LINE element RTs,” said Young. “Vaccines are protecting against the possibility of long-term seriously debilitating diseases or death.” So yes, you are spreading anti-vax conspiracy theories. And this is why misinformation is treated as dangerous. It takes too much time and effort to repair the damage caused by this insane drivel. (Also, other readers should note that OP edited his comment after my reply to remove the DNA modification boogeyman, although he seems to have doubled-down on it...)
  - defaultprimate 5y ago
    - throw10920 5y ago
      I'm probably aligned with you politically, but you're acting extremely abrasively and arrogantly and HN isn't the place for that. You can calmly state your position and link sources without the rudeness. Please read the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - defaultprimate 5y ago
        People who refer to anyone that doesn't believe their same exact dogma as conspiracy theorists are not worthy of good faith or respect. There's nothing conspiratorial about wanting to do science to explore unknowns consequences of known potential outcome. I'm done entertaining respect for folks that claim otherwise. It's bad faith and just generally being an asshole. They can take it if they're gonna dish it out
        throw10920 5y ago
        Reading some of your other posts here, you have a lot of good points, and good data that I wasn't aware of before - so I want you to keep commenting, just not as offensively. From a positive/factual perspective, speaking like you have will get you downvoted, flagged, and maybe even banned (it's unusual but it does happen) from HN. You're taking an unpopular position in a rude way and people don't like that. Adjusting the way you speak will get people to at least read and consider your points (if I see rude language in a comment that I'm inclined to disagree with already, my brain shuts off quick). From a normative perspective, I believe that even people who refer to others as conspiracy theorists are worthy of respect - I'm a Christian and so I believe that all humans are made in God's image, including the ones that I vehemently disagree with, or the ones that try to silence my voice. Again, I agree with a lot of the points you're making, and I want more people to see them, so please please please consider changing the approach you take on HN.
        defaultprimate 5y ago
        I've only been rude to the asshole that came out of the gate swinging with accusations of being a conspiracy theorist.
bondarchuk 5y ago
Noone upthread said that they alter DNA. I continue to be baffled by people bringing this up out of nowhere.
- Steltek 5y ago
  He edited his comment some time after I composed my reply. He directly claimed that mRNA vaccines alter your DNA and "modified your cells". For the second part, being generous, you could say that the point of a vaccine is to modify your immune cells but it's more likely it was unfounded paranoia.
  - bondarchuk 5y ago
    Fair enough.
  - Izkata 5y ago
    I have seen this claim elsewhere, and the people who bring it up know about reverse-transcriptase [0], an enzyme that can convert RNA to DNA. I've never seen anyone attempt to address that part of their claim, instead people just say "RNA is not DNA, duh." and leave it at that. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_transcriptase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_transcriptase
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