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A vaccine objector's personal freedom should end where bad choices (not to vax) undermine my own personal freedoms to live a healthy and free life.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Sometimes we buy that argument, and sometimes we don't. Take drunk driving, for example. We don't give people the freedom to do that. On the other hand, we do allow people to smoke and to eat unhealthily, both of which impose costs on the rest of us. So there seems to be a balance - we allow some behavior that impacts our personal freedoms, but not egregious impacts. So: If someone doesn't get vaccinated, how bad is the impact to you? Given that vaccinated (and boosted) people can still get infected and spread the infection, how bad is the impact to your personal freedom to live a healthy and free life if someone doesn't get vaccinated?
ryan93 5y ago
Doesn’t apply to this virus since vaccines don’t prevent transmission
- missingrib 5y ago
  It does if his living a healthy life depends on hospitals not being 100% full of unvaccinated people being treated for a completely preventable illness.
  - nathanaldensr 5y ago
    Tortuous logic, to be sure.
    - missingrib 5y ago
      Not sure how.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    In what way is Covid a “preventable” illness?
- CabSauce 5y ago
  "prevent", no. Reduce, yes. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597
- arrrg 5y ago
  That’s just not true. This is some weird misunderstanding. Or a failure of people to think in anything but black and white? Vaccines reduce transmission. They do not eliminate transmission completely.
powerslacker 5y ago
What makes you say that? What is your reasoning? Just because you say so does not make it so, nor does it make it logical, reasonable, or enforceable. We have a legal framework for making these kinds of decisions in the United States. While I understand your position and can see some of its merit it's not about how you feel things should be but about providing a system of rights and powers that prevent the government from spiraling out of control.
swader999 5y ago
Relevant argument if these vaccines reduced transmission in a meaningful way.
- CabSauce 5y ago
  The vaccines do reduce transmission, so it is a relevant argument? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597
  - swader999 5y ago
    Alpha and Delta lol.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

Sometimes we buy that argument, and sometimes we don't. Take drunk driving, for example. We don't give people the freedom to do that. On the other hand, we do allow people to smoke and to eat unhealthily, both of which impose costs on the rest of us. So there seems to be a balance - we allow some behavior that impacts our personal freedoms, but not egregious impacts. So: If someone doesn't get vaccinated, how bad is the impact to you? Given that vaccinated (and boosted) people can still get infected and spread the infection, how bad is the impact to your personal freedom to live a healthy and free life if someone doesn't get vaccinated?

ryan93 5y ago

Doesn’t apply to this virus since vaccines don’t prevent transmission

missingrib 5y ago
It does if his living a healthy life depends on hospitals not being 100% full of unvaccinated people being treated for a completely preventable illness.
- nathanaldensr 5y ago
  Tortuous logic, to be sure.
  - missingrib 5y ago
    Not sure how.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  In what way is Covid a “preventable” illness?
CabSauce 5y ago
"prevent", no. Reduce, yes. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597
arrrg 5y ago
That’s just not true. This is some weird misunderstanding. Or a failure of people to think in anything but black and white? Vaccines reduce transmission. They do not eliminate transmission completely.

powerslacker 5y ago

What makes you say that? What is your reasoning? Just because you say so does not make it so, nor does it make it logical, reasonable, or enforceable. We have a legal framework for making these kinds of decisions in the United States. While I understand your position and can see some of its merit it's not about how you feel things should be but about providing a system of rights and powers that prevent the government from spiraling out of control.

swader999 5y ago

Relevant argument if these vaccines reduced transmission in a meaningful way.

CabSauce 5y ago
The vaccines do reduce transmission, so it is a relevant argument? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597
- swader999 5y ago
  Alpha and Delta lol.