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So you are choosing between two things A) Hasn't been around long, we know it can have some horrible long-term effects. B) Hasn't been around long, have found

So you are choosing between two things A) Hasn't been around long, we know it can have some horrible long-term effects. B) Hasn't been around long, have found almost zero long-term effects, yet. A has at least 100x chance of dying than B, and at least 1000x chance of hospitalization. And you think it is sensical to choose A? I don't get it.

PKop 5y ago
I'm not obese, I lift weights, I'm under 50 and I get lots of vitamin D? You know, common sense and that which correlates with the data of covid risk. If you are unhealthy or fat I can see hoping the vaccine will save you from your lifestyle choices. If not, then what are you afraid of? The vaccines will not prevent you from getting covid. So what's with all the convoluted thinking where you pretend you won't get it? The risks of death from covid are a rounding error if you're young and healthy. People mistakenly act as if this disease is affecting everyone in severe ways equally. It is drastically skewed to older and unhealthy. You have no idea what the long term effects of the vaccine are stop pretending like you do, it's ridiculous.
- zuminator 5y ago
  This is not our first rodeo with vaccines. So we do in fact have excellent reasons to believe they don't cause delayed long term effects. That is, if there were long term effects, they would manifest themselves in short order. There's no biological mechanism for a vaccine to lurk in hiding for years and then suddenly cause a brain tumor or chronic inflammation or what have you. "When new vaccines are released, the unknown side effects, if any, show up within two months of vaccination. This history goes back to at least the 1960s with the oral polio vaccine and examples continue through today." [0] "First, when these [delayed side effect] events occurred, the onset was within eight weeks of receipt of the vaccine. Second, in all of these cases, except narcolepsy following H1N1 vaccine, the side effect of the vaccine was something that could be caused by the infection, meaning that getting infected with the virus also carried a risk of experiencing these outcomes. " [1] "Forget adverse effects over five or ten years: the way your immune system works does not allow for such long-term safety concerns." [2] [0] https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19... [1] https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-vaccine https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-va... [2] https://bostonreview.net/articles/the-long-term-safety-argument-over-covid-19-vaccines/ https://bostonreview.net/articles/the-long-term-safety-argum...
- gilbetron 5y ago
  > You have no idea what the long term effects of the vaccine are stop pretending like you do, it's ridiculous. I didn't, in fact the opposite. You have no idea what the long term effects of covid are stop pretending like you do, it's ridiculous. You're playing russian roulette and have the choice between two guns. One has 1000 chambers, the other has 1000000 chambers, and you are choosing the first one and acting like you are relying on statistics.
  - PKop 5y ago
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PKop 5y ago

I'm not obese, I lift weights, I'm under 50 and I get lots of vitamin D? You know, common sense and that which correlates with the data of covid risk. If you are unhealthy or fat I can see hoping the vaccine will save you from your lifestyle choices. If not, then what are you afraid of? The vaccines will not prevent you from getting covid. So what's with all the convoluted thinking where you pretend you won't get it? The risks of death from covid are a rounding error if you're young and healthy. People mistakenly act as if this disease is affecting everyone in severe ways equally. It is drastically skewed to older and unhealthy. You have no idea what the long term effects of the vaccine are stop pretending like you do, it's ridiculous.

zuminator 5y ago
This is not our first rodeo with vaccines. So we do in fact have excellent reasons to believe they don't cause delayed long term effects. That is, if there were long term effects, they would manifest themselves in short order. There's no biological mechanism for a vaccine to lurk in hiding for years and then suddenly cause a brain tumor or chronic inflammation or what have you. "When new vaccines are released, the unknown side effects, if any, show up within two months of vaccination. This history goes back to at least the 1960s with the oral polio vaccine and examples continue through today." [0] "First, when these [delayed side effect] events occurred, the onset was within eight weeks of receipt of the vaccine. Second, in all of these cases, except narcolepsy following H1N1 vaccine, the side effect of the vaccine was something that could be caused by the infection, meaning that getting infected with the virus also carried a risk of experiencing these outcomes. " [1] "Forget adverse effects over five or ten years: the way your immune system works does not allow for such long-term safety concerns." [2] [0] https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19... [1] https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-vaccine https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-va... [2] https://bostonreview.net/articles/the-long-term-safety-argument-over-covid-19-vaccines/ https://bostonreview.net/articles/the-long-term-safety-argum...
gilbetron 5y ago
> You have no idea what the long term effects of the vaccine are stop pretending like you do, it's ridiculous. I didn't, in fact the opposite. You have no idea what the long term effects of covid are stop pretending like you do, it's ridiculous. You're playing russian roulette and have the choice between two guns. One has 1000 chambers, the other has 1000000 chambers, and you are choosing the first one and acting like you are relying on statistics.
- PKop 5y ago

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