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I think you've got the causation wrong. People didn't start rejecting the vaccine because of the mandates. Mandates came about because large percentages of the

I think you've got the causation wrong. People didn't start rejecting the vaccine because of the mandates. Mandates came about because large percentages of the population weren't getting vaccinated. And why weren't they getting vaccinated? Because COVID denial poisoned the well of information. Even today, there are virtually no facts about COVID that you could get 95% of Americans to agree upon. My guess is that close to 5% would disagree with the statement "the SARS-CoV-2 virus is real".

StanislavPetrov 5y ago
>Because COVID denial poisoned the well of information. You sure it was "COVID denial" that poisoned the well of information and not: 1) Health officials lying about masks at the start of the pandemic 2) Government officials encouraging people to crowd into primary booths during the height of the pandemic to vote in the Democratic primary. 3) Health and government officials declaring that it was safe to attend riots and mass street protests, but not to go out for any other reasons. 4) That it was a racist conspiracy theory that COVID was created in a lab and not started by people eating bats in China. 5) That the vaccines were safe and effective, and that you couldn't get or spread COVID if you were vaccinated. 6) That vaccines would never be mandated. 7) That its absolutely essential that every receive(at least) a 3rd dose of the vaccine as a "booster" when even the most favorable studies show that "boosters" reduce the odds of serious illness and death only by fractions of a thousandth of a percentage point. At this point the well contains no water at all - just poisons - and it isn't the skeptics who are responsible. At this point anyone who isn't skeptical about what they are being told by our Dear Leaders has their head buried deep in the sand.
armadsen 5y ago
> My guess is that close to 5% would disagree with the statement "the SARS-CoV-2 virus is real". I wouldn't be surprised if the number is even higher than that. Anecdotally, my mom didn't believe it was a real virus even after I got it, tested positive, and got pretty sick in 2020. When she and my unvaccinated dad got it in summer 2021 and Dad was hospitalized with severe illness from it, she changed her mind on it being real, but is still convinced there are conspiratorial forces behind it, the vaccine, public health measures, etc.
- ThunderSizzle 5y ago
  Well, yes. There is. Trying to pretend that the top levels of government are free from corruption and that Pfizer is the one good company that isn't evil and that there isn't a major incentive for Pfizer to ensure approval and mandates, and those imposing mandates don't have incentives to do so, whether implicit or explicit, is simply naive. So all that talk about the military industrial complex wasting money to waste money to ensure dominance isn't likely, or even possible? Because thats exactly what people believe is happening with pharma. And that's what people believed was happening to pharma until Covid.
  - jewayne 5y ago
    Another Trumpanzee shitting in the well of knowledge. The question isn't whether Pfizer is an Evil Corporation (of course they are). The question is whether the vaccine that they manufacture and market is effective. And in the full light of day, they proved, first in randomized trials, and then in the real world, that their vaccine is safe and effective. Full disclosure, I was a test subject in the original Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine trial, and continue to be a test subject in the booster trial.
tekknik 5y ago
> My guess is that close to 5% would disagree with the statement "the SARS-CoV-2 virus is real". My guess is that you also don’t understand the reasons why others are denying the vaccine. Do you think some people are incapable of doing the only thing that will help us, isolating? Vaccines are child’s play to staying in your damn house. From my perspective it’s the vaccinated that keep this pandemic going. Exactly in the spirit of this statement. “Vaccinated and done”. People think once they get vaccinated they can continue life like normal. Meanwhile the unvaxxed i know are isolating and most still haven’t caught COVID. The few that have realized, after having few or minimal symptoms, that this entire mandate thing is about control. TLDR, no they’re exactly on point. Democrats are wannabe dictators and the goal of the mandates are an attempt to test power.
- jewayne 5y ago
  Your descriptions aren't typical of the unvaxxed people I know. The unvaxxed people I know have, from the very beginning, been defiant against isolation, school closures, masking, and the vaccines. And most have spouted some version of "COVID is a hoax" from the very beginning, and continue to do so, even when what they say is incoherent. In 2020 "stay home" was supposedly a power grab. Now you claim you always embraced that message. #TeamHoax mutates as fast as the virus, it seems.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    This really shouldn’t be news to you. This country is on the downtrend for exactly this reason.

StanislavPetrov 5y ago

>Because COVID denial poisoned the well of information. You sure it was "COVID denial" that poisoned the well of information and not: 1) Health officials lying about masks at the start of the pandemic 2) Government officials encouraging people to crowd into primary booths during the height of the pandemic to vote in the Democratic primary. 3) Health and government officials declaring that it was safe to attend riots and mass street protests, but not to go out for any other reasons. 4) That it was a racist conspiracy theory that COVID was created in a lab and not started by people eating bats in China. 5) That the vaccines were safe and effective, and that you couldn't get or spread COVID if you were vaccinated. 6) That vaccines would never be mandated. 7) That its absolutely essential that every receive(at least) a 3rd dose of the vaccine as a "booster" when even the most favorable studies show that "boosters" reduce the odds of serious illness and death only by fractions of a thousandth of a percentage point. At this point the well contains no water at all - just poisons - and it isn't the skeptics who are responsible. At this point anyone who isn't skeptical about what they are being told by our Dear Leaders has their head buried deep in the sand.

armadsen 5y ago

> My guess is that close to 5% would disagree with the statement "the SARS-CoV-2 virus is real". I wouldn't be surprised if the number is even higher than that. Anecdotally, my mom didn't believe it was a real virus even after I got it, tested positive, and got pretty sick in 2020. When she and my unvaccinated dad got it in summer 2021 and Dad was hospitalized with severe illness from it, she changed her mind on it being real, but is still convinced there are conspiratorial forces behind it, the vaccine, public health measures, etc.

ThunderSizzle 5y ago
Well, yes. There is. Trying to pretend that the top levels of government are free from corruption and that Pfizer is the one good company that isn't evil and that there isn't a major incentive for Pfizer to ensure approval and mandates, and those imposing mandates don't have incentives to do so, whether implicit or explicit, is simply naive. So all that talk about the military industrial complex wasting money to waste money to ensure dominance isn't likely, or even possible? Because thats exactly what people believe is happening with pharma. And that's what people believed was happening to pharma until Covid.
- jewayne 5y ago
  Another Trumpanzee shitting in the well of knowledge. The question isn't whether Pfizer is an Evil Corporation (of course they are). The question is whether the vaccine that they manufacture and market is effective. And in the full light of day, they proved, first in randomized trials, and then in the real world, that their vaccine is safe and effective. Full disclosure, I was a test subject in the original Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine trial, and continue to be a test subject in the booster trial.

tekknik 5y ago

> My guess is that close to 5% would disagree with the statement "the SARS-CoV-2 virus is real". My guess is that you also don’t understand the reasons why others are denying the vaccine. Do you think some people are incapable of doing the only thing that will help us, isolating? Vaccines are child’s play to staying in your damn house. From my perspective it’s the vaccinated that keep this pandemic going. Exactly in the spirit of this statement. “Vaccinated and done”. People think once they get vaccinated they can continue life like normal. Meanwhile the unvaxxed i know are isolating and most still haven’t caught COVID. The few that have realized, after having few or minimal symptoms, that this entire mandate thing is about control. TLDR, no they’re exactly on point. Democrats are wannabe dictators and the goal of the mandates are an attempt to test power.

jewayne 5y ago
Your descriptions aren't typical of the unvaxxed people I know. The unvaxxed people I know have, from the very beginning, been defiant against isolation, school closures, masking, and the vaccines. And most have spouted some version of "COVID is a hoax" from the very beginning, and continue to do so, even when what they say is incoherent. In 2020 "stay home" was supposedly a power grab. Now you claim you always embraced that message. #TeamHoax mutates as fast as the virus, it seems.
- tekknik 5y ago
  This really shouldn’t be news to you. This country is on the downtrend for exactly this reason.