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According to [1] Mr Malone said "mRNA vaccine technology I created" which is not true as far as I can find tell. He did work on mRNA technology decades ago but

According to [1] Mr Malone said "mRNA vaccine technology I created" which is not true as far as I can find tell. He did work on mRNA technology decades ago but didn't invent mRNA vaccines. He also states that "The first is that a viral gene will be injected into your children's cells. This gene forces your child’s body to make toxic spike proteins.". What does that even mean, a "viral gene"? Toxic spike proteins? Sounds like fear mongering to me given how it's worded. Furthermore he states that "These proteins *often* cause permanent damage in children’s critical organs, including -Their brain and nervous system -Their heart and blood vessels, including blood clots -Their reproductive system, and -This vaccine can trigger fundamental changes to their immune system" There is absolutely no data supporting any of this as far as I can find. Should we trust this person? [1] https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/live-stream-event-physicians-alerting-parents https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/live-stream-event-physici...

hunterb123 5y ago
> which is not true as far as I can find tell. He did work on mRNA technology decades ago but didn't invent mRNA vaccines. It was removed from wikipedia, but here's an archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20210614140319/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine https://web.archive.org/web/20210614140319/https://en.wikipe... He invented the initial platform and performed the first mRNA vaccine experiments in 1989. There's 9 patents in his name for the platforms and his name is all over the original experiments. I don't think the powers at be can memory hole him that easily. > What does that even mean, a "viral gene"? Toxic spike proteins? What he's getting at is, the spike protein the vaccine makes you generate enters the heart and other organs easily and causes damage. The spike protein itself is potentially toxic to us and causing myocarditis. There is evidence of that, how widespread is disputed. Whether "long covid" is a symptom of this spike protein toxicity, vaccine induced or natural, is unclear. Many many things related to covid, some taboo, some not, are yet to be determined. > Should we trust this person? Should we trust media reporters and random people slinging mud on the internet, I doubt it. In this field, we should listen to him, yes, not shun him, as he has relevant domain knowledge which is clearly verifiable. Trust implies faith, why are you "trusting" scientists? You should listen and verify. The fact you are attacking him and not trying to disprove what he is saying is suspect.
- barbazoo 5y ago
  The wiki link you posted is the only version mentioning his name prominently. Neither before (https://web.archive.org/web/20210530162316/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine https://web.archive.org/web/20210530162316/https://en.wikipe...) nor after. So I wouldn't call it "scrubbing". It'd be like me putting my name in there and calling it scrubbing when the next person removes it. I trust consensus I guess but I'm not an expert in any of this at all so my ability to verify anything is quite limited. I might have made a mistake here but I'm still not convinced he's trustworthy.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    I didn't call it scrubbing. I made a vague comment about memory holing him but that was a reference to the Twitter ban, Wikipedia removal, etc. in general. A scientist isn't trustworthy or not, their work speaks for itself. He invented the original mRNA platform. He was a key scientist in the first mRNA vaccine experiments.
    - barbazoo 5y ago
      He's making statements about the severity and frequency of side effects in children that I just can't find any proof for. That disqualifies him in my opinion until I can find data supporting his claims. Until then, for me, he's in the same corner as others hanging out with right-wing extremists [1] spreading misinformation. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-m...
      - hunterb123 5y ago
        That propaganda hit piece was already posted elsewhere and I commented: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29881075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29881075 Please be specific which statement you disagree with.
        5y ago
SailingSperm 5y ago
The terminology 'viral gene' is not a made up fear mongering term... It's a plainly descriptive term. It is an encoding for a protein of a virus, in this case the modified c19 spike protein. Also with regards to fundamental changes to the immune system - this is also true. """ See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin Original antigenic sin, also known as antigenic imprinting or the Hoskins effect,[1] refers to the propensity of the body's immune system to preferentially utilize immunological memory based on a previous infection when a second slightly different version of that foreign pathogen (e.g. a virus or bacterium) is encountered. This leaves the immune system "trapped" by the first response it has made to each antigen, and unable to mount potentially more effective responses during subsequent infections """
- quelltext 5y ago
  > Also with regards to fundamental changes to the immune system - this is also true. As far as I understand (from the wikipedia article) the Hoskins effect (also) applies if you simply got infected once. It's not something specific to the vaccine. Claiming the "vaccine causes a fundamental change" is a bit misleading. The vaccine OR infective exposure have the described effect, which is normal! And altering the immune system to prepare it for future infections is the point of any vaccine, isn't it? Now, one might say that it's not good to vaccinate everyone so that there remains a population that can get freshly infected with new variants and build up immunity fresh. But they'd then be altering their immune system by the response to that as well, if they don't die from the infection.

hunterb123 5y ago

> which is not true as far as I can find tell. He did work on mRNA technology decades ago but didn't invent mRNA vaccines. It was removed from wikipedia, but here's an archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20210614140319/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine https://web.archive.org/web/20210614140319/https://en.wikipe... He invented the initial platform and performed the first mRNA vaccine experiments in 1989. There's 9 patents in his name for the platforms and his name is all over the original experiments. I don't think the powers at be can memory hole him that easily. > What does that even mean, a "viral gene"? Toxic spike proteins? What he's getting at is, the spike protein the vaccine makes you generate enters the heart and other organs easily and causes damage. The spike protein itself is potentially toxic to us and causing myocarditis. There is evidence of that, how widespread is disputed. Whether "long covid" is a symptom of this spike protein toxicity, vaccine induced or natural, is unclear. Many many things related to covid, some taboo, some not, are yet to be determined. > Should we trust this person? Should we trust media reporters and random people slinging mud on the internet, I doubt it. In this field, we should listen to him, yes, not shun him, as he has relevant domain knowledge which is clearly verifiable. Trust implies faith, why are you "trusting" scientists? You should listen and verify. The fact you are attacking him and not trying to disprove what he is saying is suspect.

barbazoo 5y ago
The wiki link you posted is the only version mentioning his name prominently. Neither before (https://web.archive.org/web/20210530162316/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine https://web.archive.org/web/20210530162316/https://en.wikipe...) nor after. So I wouldn't call it "scrubbing". It'd be like me putting my name in there and calling it scrubbing when the next person removes it. I trust consensus I guess but I'm not an expert in any of this at all so my ability to verify anything is quite limited. I might have made a mistake here but I'm still not convinced he's trustworthy.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  I didn't call it scrubbing. I made a vague comment about memory holing him but that was a reference to the Twitter ban, Wikipedia removal, etc. in general. A scientist isn't trustworthy or not, their work speaks for itself. He invented the original mRNA platform. He was a key scientist in the first mRNA vaccine experiments.
  - barbazoo 5y ago
    He's making statements about the severity and frequency of side effects in children that I just can't find any proof for. That disqualifies him in my opinion until I can find data supporting his claims. Until then, for me, he's in the same corner as others hanging out with right-wing extremists [1] spreading misinformation. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-m...
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      That propaganda hit piece was already posted elsewhere and I commented: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29881075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29881075 Please be specific which statement you disagree with.
      - 5y ago

SailingSperm 5y ago

The terminology 'viral gene' is not a made up fear mongering term... It's a plainly descriptive term. It is an encoding for a protein of a virus, in this case the modified c19 spike protein. Also with regards to fundamental changes to the immune system - this is also true. """ See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin Original antigenic sin, also known as antigenic imprinting or the Hoskins effect,[1] refers to the propensity of the body's immune system to preferentially utilize immunological memory based on a previous infection when a second slightly different version of that foreign pathogen (e.g. a virus or bacterium) is encountered. This leaves the immune system "trapped" by the first response it has made to each antigen, and unable to mount potentially more effective responses during subsequent infections """

quelltext 5y ago
> Also with regards to fundamental changes to the immune system - this is also true. As far as I understand (from the wikipedia article) the Hoskins effect (also) applies if you simply got infected once. It's not something specific to the vaccine. Claiming the "vaccine causes a fundamental change" is a bit misleading. The vaccine OR infective exposure have the described effect, which is normal! And altering the immune system to prepare it for future infections is the point of any vaccine, isn't it? Now, one might say that it's not good to vaccinate everyone so that there remains a population that can get freshly infected with new variants and build up immunity fresh. But they'd then be altering their immune system by the response to that as well, if they don't die from the infection.