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So far, there hasn't been any evidence (I've heard of) of long-term adverse effects of the vaccination. Vaccines are not exactly new science. There has, howeve

by saynay 5y ago

So far, there hasn't been any evidence (I've heard of) of long-term adverse effects of the vaccination. Vaccines are not exactly new science. There has, however, been evidence of long-term effects of catching COVID in some cases. It is pretty obvious which option to take with the currently available evidence.

bequanna 5y ago
Right, my argument would be that the “currently available evidence” should be viewed with skepticism given the incredible profit motive involved and current political climate.
a45a33s 5y ago
>So far, there hasn't been any evidence (I've heard of) of long-term adverse effects of the vaccination. Vaccines are not exactly new science. the vaccines came out last year, there hasn't even been a long term yet. mrna vaccines are definitely new science, unless you can point me to another mrna vaccine that has been distributed to the public at this scale?
kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
"So far, there hasn't been any evidence (I've heard of) of long-term adverse effects of the vaccination" A couple of people have died, I'd call that a long-term adverse effect. Presumably way less people than would otherwise have died from Covid, so not to say you shouldn't get vaccinated. But to claim there are no known long-term adverse effects is wrong.
- yupper32 5y ago
  When people are talking about unknown long-term effects in this context, they typically mean effects that appear much later. As in, stuff that wouldn't be caught in studies and our current vaccination efforts. Long-lasting but quickly appearing adverse effects, like death, are pretty well understood and are calculated in.
defaultprimate 5y ago
The time period of "long term" after vaccination literally doesn't exist yet
peteradio 5y ago
> Vaccines are not exactly new science. This tells you nothing about the predictability of the practice of the science. It also cannot be used to gild by association anything that wishes to be marketed as a "vaccine".
omginternets 5y ago
>So far, there hasn't been any evidence (I've heard of) of long-term adverse effects of the vaccination So far, there hasn't been nearly the same amount of public scrutiny as with your average vaccine, either. Sure, people have taken in record numbers, but we have far less information about long-term effects than usual. And certainly, there have been extraordinary incentives to push vaccination, along with extraordinary mismanagement of the pandemic in general. The difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated isn't that one is more ethical or risk-averse than the other. It's a difference in estimation of where the most risk resides: in the disease, or in our management thereof.
- arrrg 5y ago
  Do we? Why do you claim that? The eyes of the world have been glued to this. People actually know the different "brands" of vaccines. Tabloids have discussions on them and their side effects … the scrutiny and expectations from the public seem extremely high, so I’m not sure why you think anyone involved in this could afford to no be very tough and detail oriented in the scrutiny of this vaccine. This seems like a deeply weird worldview that doesn’t in any way match up to reality. Your statement seems highly implausible and just makes no sense. Do you have any concrete evidence to back it up?
bopbeepboop 5y ago
generalizations 5y ago
- snowwrestler 5y ago
  The definition of the word vaccine is a substance that stimulates immunity by imitating the infectious agent. There have been many different kinds of vaccines over the years. “Vaccine” is a word like “chair.” It tells you what it does, not what it is made out of.
  - bequanna 5y ago
    Did you just unilaterally decide what the word “vaccine” means? :) That isn’t how it works. A word means what people understand it to mean. But…semantics. Whatever. The main issue that the parent comment touches on is that this is a new process for developing a vaccine and it isn’t honest to compare this to vaccines we’ve been giving people for decades. There is a heck of a lot we don’t know. People are intuitive and they sense this. They aren’t anti science, but they do know when they are being sold something in a less than honest way.
    - didibus 5y ago
      > Did you just unilaterally decide what the word “vaccine” means? :) Their definition seems pretty close to that of Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=define+vaccine https://www.google.com/search?q=define+vaccine > a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease But to be fair, at this point, I don't know why we discuss mRNA vaccines, there's been traditional vaccines available for people to take as well such as J&J and Novavax. So even if you don't want to take risk with mRNA since its a newer mechanism to use for vaccines, one can take J&J or Novavax instead.
      - Izkata 5y ago
        J&J is an adenovirus-vector vaccine. They're almost as new as mRNA - before the covid ones, it had only been approved once, in an Ebola vaccine, in 2019. Novavax I don't think is available yet.

by saynay 5y ago

bequanna 5y ago

Right, my argument would be that the “currently available evidence” should be viewed with skepticism given the incredible profit motive involved and current political climate.

a45a33s 5y ago

>So far, there hasn't been any evidence (I've heard of) of long-term adverse effects of the vaccination. Vaccines are not exactly new science. the vaccines came out last year, there hasn't even been a long term yet. mrna vaccines are definitely new science, unless you can point me to another mrna vaccine that has been distributed to the public at this scale?

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago

"So far, there hasn't been any evidence (I've heard of) of long-term adverse effects of the vaccination" A couple of people have died, I'd call that a long-term adverse effect. Presumably way less people than would otherwise have died from Covid, so not to say you shouldn't get vaccinated. But to claim there are no known long-term adverse effects is wrong.

yupper32 5y ago
When people are talking about unknown long-term effects in this context, they typically mean effects that appear much later. As in, stuff that wouldn't be caught in studies and our current vaccination efforts. Long-lasting but quickly appearing adverse effects, like death, are pretty well understood and are calculated in.

defaultprimate 5y ago

The time period of "long term" after vaccination literally doesn't exist yet

peteradio 5y ago

> Vaccines are not exactly new science. This tells you nothing about the predictability of the practice of the science. It also cannot be used to gild by association anything that wishes to be marketed as a "vaccine".

omginternets 5y ago

>So far, there hasn't been any evidence (I've heard of) of long-term adverse effects of the vaccination So far, there hasn't been nearly the same amount of public scrutiny as with your average vaccine, either. Sure, people have taken in record numbers, but we have far less information about long-term effects than usual. And certainly, there have been extraordinary incentives to push vaccination, along with extraordinary mismanagement of the pandemic in general. The difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated isn't that one is more ethical or risk-averse than the other. It's a difference in estimation of where the most risk resides: in the disease, or in our management thereof.

arrrg 5y ago
Do we? Why do you claim that? The eyes of the world have been glued to this. People actually know the different "brands" of vaccines. Tabloids have discussions on them and their side effects … the scrutiny and expectations from the public seem extremely high, so I’m not sure why you think anyone involved in this could afford to no be very tough and detail oriented in the scrutiny of this vaccine. This seems like a deeply weird worldview that doesn’t in any way match up to reality. Your statement seems highly implausible and just makes no sense. Do you have any concrete evidence to back it up?

bopbeepboop 5y ago

generalizations 5y ago

snowwrestler 5y ago
The definition of the word vaccine is a substance that stimulates immunity by imitating the infectious agent. There have been many different kinds of vaccines over the years. “Vaccine” is a word like “chair.” It tells you what it does, not what it is made out of.
- bequanna 5y ago
  Did you just unilaterally decide what the word “vaccine” means? :) That isn’t how it works. A word means what people understand it to mean. But…semantics. Whatever. The main issue that the parent comment touches on is that this is a new process for developing a vaccine and it isn’t honest to compare this to vaccines we’ve been giving people for decades. There is a heck of a lot we don’t know. People are intuitive and they sense this. They aren’t anti science, but they do know when they are being sold something in a less than honest way.
  - didibus 5y ago
    > Did you just unilaterally decide what the word “vaccine” means? :) Their definition seems pretty close to that of Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=define+vaccine https://www.google.com/search?q=define+vaccine > a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease But to be fair, at this point, I don't know why we discuss mRNA vaccines, there's been traditional vaccines available for people to take as well such as J&J and Novavax. So even if you don't want to take risk with mRNA since its a newer mechanism to use for vaccines, one can take J&J or Novavax instead.
    - Izkata 5y ago
      J&J is an adenovirus-vector vaccine. They're almost as new as mRNA - before the covid ones, it had only been approved once, in an Ebola vaccine, in 2019. Novavax I don't think is available yet.