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“ We're still very unclear on the long-term effects of COVID, after all.” Nor do we know the long term effects of the vaccines. What we do know is that childr

“ We're still very unclear on the long-term effects of COVID, after all.” Nor do we know the long term effects of the vaccines. What we do know is that children have “statistical immunity” to dying from covid right now. Long term consequences could come from either covid or a vaccine, worry about what you can control. And covid is out of control so stop worrying about it.

astrange 5y ago
Vaccines don't have long term effects.
- artursapek 5y ago
  Tell that to all the poor bastards now living with myocarditis.
  - astrange 5y ago
    That's a short term effect (i.e. we already know about it), and one that actual covid is much more likely to give you. Also, the problem with VAERS reports is the people may just have already had it - that's why side effects for medications sometimes list the original condition as a side effect.
    - mikeyouse 5y ago
      And also, something like 75% of myocarditis resolves completely on its own (and like you mentioned, most myocarditis is caused by viral infection...). Properly risk-weighting all of this is hard, thankfully public health experts have done so and still recommend nearly universal vaccination!
    - TurboHaskal 5y ago
      Keep doing boosters every N months and the risk of myocarditis will eventually be greater than Covid.
      - astrange 5y ago
        Good thing I didn't tell you to do that then.
        TurboHaskal 5y ago
        You don't but my government does.
    - doopy1 5y ago
      > and one that actual covid is much more likely to give you. At this rate we're taking boosters more often than we're risking coming down with Covid. Maybe there will be some diminishing returns.
      - astrange 5y ago
        Polio has different vaccines for normal and pandemic situations IIRC so I’d expect the same thing. I didn’t say there were no effects from the vaccine. The fever is enough to make it not worth taking current formulation boosters twice a year.
    - Izkata 5y ago
      In men <40 years old, 2 doses of either of the mRNA vaccines are more likely than SARS-CoV-2 to give you myocarditis. Pfizer is only a little higher, but Moderna is several times higher. https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myoca... (second image, source is linked directly above it)
- guilhas 5y ago
  Hypothetically in 5 many vaccinated develop Alzheimer... "Oh... It was an emergency there was no time to worry about long term effects of a new vaccine technology" Until several years pass we don't know. Both vaccine long term effects or Covid

astrange 5y ago

Vaccines don't have long term effects.

artursapek 5y ago
Tell that to all the poor bastards now living with myocarditis.
- astrange 5y ago
  That's a short term effect (i.e. we already know about it), and one that actual covid is much more likely to give you. Also, the problem with VAERS reports is the people may just have already had it - that's why side effects for medications sometimes list the original condition as a side effect.
  - mikeyouse 5y ago
    And also, something like 75% of myocarditis resolves completely on its own (and like you mentioned, most myocarditis is caused by viral infection...). Properly risk-weighting all of this is hard, thankfully public health experts have done so and still recommend nearly universal vaccination!
  - TurboHaskal 5y ago
    Keep doing boosters every N months and the risk of myocarditis will eventually be greater than Covid.
    - astrange 5y ago
      Good thing I didn't tell you to do that then.
      - TurboHaskal 5y ago
        You don't but my government does.
  - doopy1 5y ago
    > and one that actual covid is much more likely to give you. At this rate we're taking boosters more often than we're risking coming down with Covid. Maybe there will be some diminishing returns.
    - astrange 5y ago
      Polio has different vaccines for normal and pandemic situations IIRC so I’d expect the same thing. I didn’t say there were no effects from the vaccine. The fever is enough to make it not worth taking current formulation boosters twice a year.
  - Izkata 5y ago
    In men <40 years old, 2 doses of either of the mRNA vaccines are more likely than SARS-CoV-2 to give you myocarditis. Pfizer is only a little higher, but Moderna is several times higher. https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myoca... (second image, source is linked directly above it)
guilhas 5y ago
Hypothetically in 5 many vaccinated develop Alzheimer... "Oh... It was an emergency there was no time to worry about long term effects of a new vaccine technology" Until several years pass we don't know. Both vaccine long term effects or Covid