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I definitely share your opinion. I do think those more fortunate should put less weight on one's "wallet" and be "good samaritans". But I don't think that's a g
by ljhsiung 5y ago
I definitely share your opinion. I do think those more fortunate should put less weight on one's "wallet" and be "good samaritans". But I don't think that's a good solution to invoke the widespread change necessary for the environment.
Consider a similar "tragedy of the commons" externality-- air pollution.
LA smog was quite infamously disastrous for decades. This was not fixed by "good Samaritans" trailblazing, but rather regulation enabled by the Clean Air Act, in which California was especially liberal in using-- car smog checks, centralized landfills, catalytic cracker carbon controls, etc.
This was, in my opinion, wildly successful. Just look around LA. It's not the hellhole it once was. But these controls were, and still are, mildly unpopular [1].
The point I want to make is this-- change will not happen with single trailblazers e.g. the HN demographic. It has to happen with widespread change. That can either happen top down (e.g. air pollution) or bottoms up (e.g. making costs/revenues break even).
I personally don't think a top-down approach will ever happen in today's political climate. Thus, the reality is, we need a hyper-focus on making breakeven. Because that's the reality of the vast majority of people, not just the HN community.
[1]: https://publicintegrity.org/environment/a-california-regulators-curious-crusade-to-remake-the-clean-air-act/ https://publicintegrity.org/environment/a-california-regulat...
- stormbrew 5y agoI agree with pretty much everything you're saying, except your conclusion. I definitely see the value as a way to sell solar. And I agree with it. I think many people will only do it if it makes financial sense. But I don't think that means it needs to be the only carrot or stick. I don't think we really have time to pretend that only One Simple Pitch will get us there. Nor do I think it means that the conversations about it need to be so thoroughly dominated by it. I'm not talking about the OP here, I'm talking about this thread, on which nearly every top level post is just someone declaring whether solar breaks even for them or not. I don't think this is terribly useful dialog, and it makes it very hard to talk about anything else.