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Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely b

by pxue 5y ago

Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking point for the 2022 elections. Edit: republican will 100% pull a "i-told-you-so" move in their campaign trails. I'm Canadian and our government (even conservative learning province/state government) is still using the partial lockdown as a mean to curb infection, it's very very obviously NOT working. What will be really interesting is just how the medical community is so detached from the political community. I understand you shouldn't bring politics into science, but you also can't blind yourself and optimize for only one metric.. everything is a trade-off.

whistlecrackers 5y ago
cblconfederate 5y ago
I was fooled for a bit thinking that people might be coming to their rational senses, but it does seem there is a media campaign to minimize covid.
cableshaft 5y ago
> This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) True, but Trump only dealt with Covid for about 9 months at most, and that was starting from 0 cases in February, meanwhile Biden has dealt with it for 13 months at this point, and also took office in the middle of the major winter wave, and then the Delta wave in mid 2021, and now the Omicron wave at the end of 2021, which were much more infectious and mostly affected those that could not or refused to be vaccinated (once vaccines were widely available in April at least). Biden didn't create those waves, by the way. This is a global problem, and judging by how the US got the variant spikes after most of the rest of the world did, likely didn't originate here. He could have been like China or Australia and enforced hard indefinite lockdowns, but it was clear after the one Trump agreed to a partial two-week lockdown that the US public wouldn't even comply to that, so good luck Biden imposing any future lockdowns. Yes, the majority of people were vaccinated in 2021, but I'd argue a good chunk of those same people (waves hi) were self-isolating as much as possible until they got vaccinated anyway and were much less likely to be included in the deaths of 2020 anyway. Biden definitely could have done a better job managing Covid (ordered increased home tests made and ship them to citizens before Omicron became a thing, for one idea), but there's a good amount of the population that wouldn't have listened to him no matter what measures he tried to push. I also disagree with you that Democrats are going to downplay covid (the media might, but it sounds like it's just to force people to go back to work and kids to stay in school because they're too afraid of the economy getting worse). About the only thing Biden can point to as something good he's done, is the vaccine rollout, so if they downplay it they don't have much to go on. But I agree it won't matter in the long run because the Democrats are going to lose the midterms, big time, and probably the presidency in 2024.
- flavius29663 5y ago
  Well, the vaccine rollout was planned under Trump and execution was in full force when Biden took office (1 million jabs a day). Biden didn't really do much after he took office, other than annoy people with inconsistent communication, federal over-reach and always singling "the others" as the root of all evil - which made them more reluctant to anything he proposed. Trump had to scale out testing, respirators, PPE, the vaccines etc. 2020 looked much more busy than 2021, and then we got Omicron and we're completely unprepared. I am vaxxed and boosted, but I don't want to be forced to get a shot every 6 months.
  - jrs235 5y ago
    >Biden didn't really do much after he took office I'm trying to figure out why it took so long for the emergency OSHA mandate to become an emergency mandate. If it was so important to protect people at work then this mandate should have been figured out 9 months ago and already have been in front of the Supreme Court. One has to have realized that any such mandate would be challenged and have quite a delay before it could be ruled on in the courts and possibly put into effect.
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- theandrewbailey 5y ago
  Biden has indirectly blamed all COVID deaths during the Trump administration on Trump, so it's fair to blame Biden for COVID deaths during his administration on him, too. Biden has had office for longer, but the vaccine has also been available for about that long, too.
  - cableshaft 5y ago
    I don't even blame Trump for all the Covid deaths that happened during the Trump administration. There were a bunch of factors involved, and state governments and the attitudes of US citizens had a lot to do with it as well. Trump made several colossal fuckups, especially when it came to his public communications, but he made some good decisions as well (letting the early shelter-in-place orders happen, stimulus checks, freezing student loans, pushing the vaccine program, etc). All I'm saying is that of course Biden would have had higher deaths while he was in office than Trump, unless he managed to convince ~95%+ of the public to get vaccinated right away, which was never going to happen, and unless the whole world got Covid-19 under control in about the same time period as Trump was in office while the pandemic was in the US, and if there were no other more infectious variants that happened during that time.
jdauriemma 5y ago
> a catastrophic failure Using what criteria? We have no way of knowing what infection rates would be like today had Biden not been elected.
steelstraw 5y ago
"220,000 deaths. If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this: Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain President of the United States." Joe Biden https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1319446692236791814 https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1319446692236791814 And his predecessor did not have the vaccines available to combat deaths. So they are in a tough spot to be sure. The only thing they can do now is to downplay and reframe: "The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75% percent, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities, so really these are people who were unwell to begin with." CDC Director Rochelle Walensky https://youtu.be/BhOoWGXRGb0?t=165 https://youtu.be/BhOoWGXRGb0?t=165 They are also finally trying untangle deaths "with Covid" and "from Covid": https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1480207649807507458 https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1480207649807507458
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  It’s amazing how much of what is being said was something that got you banned, ridiculed and yelled at by people… almost like the skeptics were right all along…
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bjt2n3904 5y ago
> So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking point for the 2022 elections. Good luck with that. When the CDC decreased the isolation time to five days, all the talk was about how they were corrupted by capitalism. As someone who was painted hard with the "science denier / conspiracy theorist" brush for my objections to mandates, it's a very deep level of schadenfreude to see the very same people devolve into conspiracy theories of their own that put them at odds with "the science". The government has created a dangerous foil for the "anti-vaxxers" -- people who are terrified to leave their bubble of presumed safety. Perhaps we can come up with a pejorative term for them... "Pro-hypochondriacs"? They will not disappear so easily.
yonaguska 5y ago
> What will be really interesting is just how the medical community is so detached from the political community. Regretfully, I don't think this is actually true anymore. I can only speak for the US. Maybe it was never true, but we're just now seeing it. The health insurance industry is heavily political, lots of money is spent drafting business friendly regulation. The pharma industry has an incestuous relation with the regulatory bodies that are supposed to keep it in check. So, it's note exactly red vs blue politics, but in my mind, there is a degree of green politics, and the actual politicians are simply clamoring for scraps of political capital during the crisis, while big pharma and unelected bureaucrats are spending tax payer dollars and controlling the medical community.
alpha_squared 5y ago
> More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) It matters enough to write it, and it struck me as weird so I looked it up. Kind of hard to put the numbers together, but it seems we're at 830k[0] deaths now; 350k were in 2020[1] (though most cases started being reported in April) which is indeed less than half of current total. I also looked up Jan. 2021, curious if it changed anything in a meaningful way and there were 77k through Jan. 26[2]; it puts the total deaths at roughly 50/50 between presidents, though one presided over ~9 months of deaths and the other over 12. I guess that means the rate of deaths is slowing down, but not by much. [0] https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/ https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spr... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/podcasts/2022/20220107/20220107.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/podcasts/2022/20220107/20... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/us-reports-record-number-of-covid-deaths-in-january.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/us-reports-record-number-of-...

by pxue 5y ago

whistlecrackers 5y ago

cblconfederate 5y ago

I was fooled for a bit thinking that people might be coming to their rational senses, but it does seem there is a media campaign to minimize covid.

cableshaft 5y ago

> This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) True, but Trump only dealt with Covid for about 9 months at most, and that was starting from 0 cases in February, meanwhile Biden has dealt with it for 13 months at this point, and also took office in the middle of the major winter wave, and then the Delta wave in mid 2021, and now the Omicron wave at the end of 2021, which were much more infectious and mostly affected those that could not or refused to be vaccinated (once vaccines were widely available in April at least). Biden didn't create those waves, by the way. This is a global problem, and judging by how the US got the variant spikes after most of the rest of the world did, likely didn't originate here. He could have been like China or Australia and enforced hard indefinite lockdowns, but it was clear after the one Trump agreed to a partial two-week lockdown that the US public wouldn't even comply to that, so good luck Biden imposing any future lockdowns. Yes, the majority of people were vaccinated in 2021, but I'd argue a good chunk of those same people (waves hi) were self-isolating as much as possible until they got vaccinated anyway and were much less likely to be included in the deaths of 2020 anyway. Biden definitely could have done a better job managing Covid (ordered increased home tests made and ship them to citizens before Omicron became a thing, for one idea), but there's a good amount of the population that wouldn't have listened to him no matter what measures he tried to push. I also disagree with you that Democrats are going to downplay covid (the media might, but it sounds like it's just to force people to go back to work and kids to stay in school because they're too afraid of the economy getting worse). About the only thing Biden can point to as something good he's done, is the vaccine rollout, so if they downplay it they don't have much to go on. But I agree it won't matter in the long run because the Democrats are going to lose the midterms, big time, and probably the presidency in 2024.

flavius29663 5y ago
Well, the vaccine rollout was planned under Trump and execution was in full force when Biden took office (1 million jabs a day). Biden didn't really do much after he took office, other than annoy people with inconsistent communication, federal over-reach and always singling "the others" as the root of all evil - which made them more reluctant to anything he proposed. Trump had to scale out testing, respirators, PPE, the vaccines etc. 2020 looked much more busy than 2021, and then we got Omicron and we're completely unprepared. I am vaxxed and boosted, but I don't want to be forced to get a shot every 6 months.
- jrs235 5y ago
  >Biden didn't really do much after he took office I'm trying to figure out why it took so long for the emergency OSHA mandate to become an emergency mandate. If it was so important to protect people at work then this mandate should have been figured out 9 months ago and already have been in front of the Supreme Court. One has to have realized that any such mandate would be challenged and have quite a delay before it could be ruled on in the courts and possibly put into effect.
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theandrewbailey 5y ago
Biden has indirectly blamed all COVID deaths during the Trump administration on Trump, so it's fair to blame Biden for COVID deaths during his administration on him, too. Biden has had office for longer, but the vaccine has also been available for about that long, too.
- cableshaft 5y ago
  I don't even blame Trump for all the Covid deaths that happened during the Trump administration. There were a bunch of factors involved, and state governments and the attitudes of US citizens had a lot to do with it as well. Trump made several colossal fuckups, especially when it came to his public communications, but he made some good decisions as well (letting the early shelter-in-place orders happen, stimulus checks, freezing student loans, pushing the vaccine program, etc). All I'm saying is that of course Biden would have had higher deaths while he was in office than Trump, unless he managed to convince ~95%+ of the public to get vaccinated right away, which was never going to happen, and unless the whole world got Covid-19 under control in about the same time period as Trump was in office while the pandemic was in the US, and if there were no other more infectious variants that happened during that time.

jdauriemma 5y ago

> a catastrophic failure Using what criteria? We have no way of knowing what infection rates would be like today had Biden not been elected.

steelstraw 5y ago

"220,000 deaths. If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this: Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain President of the United States." Joe Biden https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1319446692236791814 https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1319446692236791814 And his predecessor did not have the vaccines available to combat deaths. So they are in a tough spot to be sure. The only thing they can do now is to downplay and reframe: "The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75% percent, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities, so really these are people who were unwell to begin with." CDC Director Rochelle Walensky https://youtu.be/BhOoWGXRGb0?t=165 https://youtu.be/BhOoWGXRGb0?t=165 They are also finally trying untangle deaths "with Covid" and "from Covid": https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1480207649807507458 https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1480207649807507458

spookthesunset 5y ago
It’s amazing how much of what is being said was something that got you banned, ridiculed and yelled at by people… almost like the skeptics were right all along…

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bjt2n3904 5y ago

> So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking point for the 2022 elections. Good luck with that. When the CDC decreased the isolation time to five days, all the talk was about how they were corrupted by capitalism. As someone who was painted hard with the "science denier / conspiracy theorist" brush for my objections to mandates, it's a very deep level of schadenfreude to see the very same people devolve into conspiracy theories of their own that put them at odds with "the science". The government has created a dangerous foil for the "anti-vaxxers" -- people who are terrified to leave their bubble of presumed safety. Perhaps we can come up with a pejorative term for them... "Pro-hypochondriacs"? They will not disappear so easily.

yonaguska 5y ago

> What will be really interesting is just how the medical community is so detached from the political community. Regretfully, I don't think this is actually true anymore. I can only speak for the US. Maybe it was never true, but we're just now seeing it. The health insurance industry is heavily political, lots of money is spent drafting business friendly regulation. The pharma industry has an incestuous relation with the regulatory bodies that are supposed to keep it in check. So, it's note exactly red vs blue politics, but in my mind, there is a degree of green politics, and the actual politicians are simply clamoring for scraps of political capital during the crisis, while big pharma and unelected bureaucrats are spending tax payer dollars and controlling the medical community.

alpha_squared 5y ago

> More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) It matters enough to write it, and it struck me as weird so I looked it up. Kind of hard to put the numbers together, but it seems we're at 830k[0] deaths now; 350k were in 2020[1] (though most cases started being reported in April) which is indeed less than half of current total. I also looked up Jan. 2021, curious if it changed anything in a meaningful way and there were 77k through Jan. 26[2]; it puts the total deaths at roughly 50/50 between presidents, though one presided over ~9 months of deaths and the other over 12. I guess that means the rate of deaths is slowing down, but not by much. [0] https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/ https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spr... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/podcasts/2022/20220107/20220107.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/podcasts/2022/20220107/20... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/us-reports-record-number-of-covid-deaths-in-january.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/us-reports-record-number-of-...