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This is one of the anti-union talking points from documents produced by IRI (the firm Google has hired to fight unionization efforts) in a previous union-bustin

This is one of the anti-union talking points from documents produced by IRI (the firm Google has hired to fight unionization efforts) in a previous union-busting effort. > “Talk about any bad experience you or others you know may have had with unions,” the document instructs managers. “Also talk about the union’s past. Tell employees about documented history of Mafia influence and corruption of unions. Tell employees examples where union leaders have embezzled money from their members’ pension and health insurance funds. Tell them about situations where unions have made promises and have not delivered.” https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2007/03/14/hospital-document-suggests-anti-union-mentality/ https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2007/03/14/hospital-document-...

philwelch 5y ago
That doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
- remram 5y ago
  That doesn't mean it's right. In this case, it is wrong; collective bargaining goes way back, and while it is true that some unions officers have been crooks (and indeed controlled by Mafia), unions did not come from the Mafia. It's one of those technically true statements. Like "the history of the web in the US is inseparable from child pornography". Yes, some regulations were put in place because of the existence of child porn, but the implication that the web was created by/for child molesters is wrong.
  - busterarm 5y ago
    I never alleged that though. I just said that you can't separate the existence of unions from racketeering. Union racketeering still goes on today.
    - remram 5y ago
      That's only true in the same sense that you "can't separate" the existence of hardware stores from murders. People still get killed by hammers today.
busterarm 5y ago
Documenting facts does not mean your documentation produced those facts if you're a detractor. Both in America and in Sicily are a trail of dead bodies from unionists who didn't want to play ball with the mob.

philwelch 5y ago

That doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

remram 5y ago
That doesn't mean it's right. In this case, it is wrong; collective bargaining goes way back, and while it is true that some unions officers have been crooks (and indeed controlled by Mafia), unions did not come from the Mafia. It's one of those technically true statements. Like "the history of the web in the US is inseparable from child pornography". Yes, some regulations were put in place because of the existence of child porn, but the implication that the web was created by/for child molesters is wrong.
- busterarm 5y ago
  I never alleged that though. I just said that you can't separate the existence of unions from racketeering. Union racketeering still goes on today.
  - remram 5y ago
    That's only true in the same sense that you "can't separate" the existence of hardware stores from murders. People still get killed by hammers today.

busterarm 5y ago

Documenting facts does not mean your documentation produced those facts if you're a detractor. Both in America and in Sicily are a trail of dead bodies from unionists who didn't want to play ball with the mob.