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It seems pretty inconsistent to champion human rights in one sentence and advocate for illegal kidnapping and extrajudicial punishment in the next. The Hague ha

It seems pretty inconsistent to champion human rights in one sentence and advocate for illegal kidnapping and extrajudicial punishment in the next. The Hague has no legal authority.

atoav 5y ago
Then let's hope a nation in which human rights are honored gives them a fair trial.
hadrien01 5y ago
How is The Hague illegal kidnapping? It's an international court.
sofixa 5y ago
The ICC in The Hague has legal authority, the US just doesn't recognise it. What I advocate for is for the US to submit under that authority, and send all their war criminals there for fair trials on charges of crimes against peace, humanity, conspiracy to wage war, etc.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  Neither the U.S. nor Cuba are state parties to the Rome Statute. (Neither are any of the major regional powers outside of Europe and the British Commonwealth realms, with the exception of Brazil). As a result, the ICC does not have jurisdiction over what happens at Guantanamo nor over U.S. citizens in U.S. territory. Without resorting to the conspiracy theory that there's a shadow world government, what possible legal theory could you believe grants them authority here?
  - sofixa 5y ago
    Many of the initial criminal acts happened in Afghanistan (kidnappings), which recognises the ICC's authority. Transit happened through countries like Poland and Lithuania, which also recognise the ICC's jurisdiction. Plenty of crimes happened already in ICC jurisdictions. Furthermore, the US can do the right thing for once on that level and accept the authority and jurisdiction of the ICC. The ICC and ICTY have dealt with post-facto acceptance of jurisdiction ( crimes happened, court was accepted to have authority and tried criminals) so honestly I don't see the issue here. And if the ICC doesn't do it, it's sure as hell won't put their war criminals to trial.

It seems pretty inconsistent to champion human rights in one sentence and advocate for illegal kidnapping and extrajudicial punishment in the next. The Hague has no legal authority.

atoav 5y ago

Then let's hope a nation in which human rights are honored gives them a fair trial.

hadrien01 5y ago

How is The Hague illegal kidnapping? It's an international court.

sofixa 5y ago

The ICC in The Hague has legal authority, the US just doesn't recognise it. What I advocate for is for the US to submit under that authority, and send all their war criminals there for fair trials on charges of crimes against peace, humanity, conspiracy to wage war, etc.

torstenvl 5y ago
Neither the U.S. nor Cuba are state parties to the Rome Statute. (Neither are any of the major regional powers outside of Europe and the British Commonwealth realms, with the exception of Brazil). As a result, the ICC does not have jurisdiction over what happens at Guantanamo nor over U.S. citizens in U.S. territory. Without resorting to the conspiracy theory that there's a shadow world government, what possible legal theory could you believe grants them authority here?
- sofixa 5y ago
  Many of the initial criminal acts happened in Afghanistan (kidnappings), which recognises the ICC's authority. Transit happened through countries like Poland and Lithuania, which also recognise the ICC's jurisdiction. Plenty of crimes happened already in ICC jurisdictions. Furthermore, the US can do the right thing for once on that level and accept the authority and jurisdiction of the ICC. The ICC and ICTY have dealt with post-facto acceptance of jurisdiction ( crimes happened, court was accepted to have authority and tried criminals) so honestly I don't see the issue here. And if the ICC doesn't do it, it's sure as hell won't put their war criminals to trial.