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Total B.S. To those stating China’s strict lockdown policy somehow makes this believable- lockdowns are in response to COVID. If there are still COVID cases t

Total B.S. To those stating China’s strict lockdown policy somehow makes this believable- lockdowns are in response to COVID. If there are still COVID cases triggering lockdowns, there is still COVID out there causing death.

sudosysgen 5y ago
Not if lockdowns are rapid enough, no. If cases are caught immediately, and whole populations are tested, there can only be a few dozen cases, and from there we expect few to no deaths.
- pupppet 5y ago
  It is not possible to 'catch immediately'. People spread it, government notices, lock-downs go into effect. A few dozen cases in a country of 1.4B is laughable.
  - DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
    Every single person in China who seeks medical care and who has fever or respiratory symptoms is tested. Every person who works in a high-risk job (e.g., airport staff, border staff, some types of medical personnel) is regularly tested. Purchases of over-the-counter fever-reducing drugs are monitored. That's how outbreaks are caught early. If you're interested, and if you read Chinese, you can actually learn in great detail how (almost) each outbreak over the last year-plus was detected. There are detailed contact-tracing reports on most of the outbreaks.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    They don't say a few dozen, they say a few hundred. People spread it, sure, but they test the entire city. The majority of cases are caught immediately.
    - pupppet 5y ago
      The CN government doesn't immediately know when any one of their 1.4B citizens has COVID. Even if they did, early detection decreases death rate, it is not a cure. And zero deaths signals cure.
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that most cases are caught immediately. Zero deaths really doesn't signal a cure. Low infections -> less chance of deaths. If you only have 200-300 cases a year, then there's a good chance you'd have no deaths. So no, zero deaths doesn't mean cure, it can just as well mean very low transmission.

sudosysgen 5y ago

Not if lockdowns are rapid enough, no. If cases are caught immediately, and whole populations are tested, there can only be a few dozen cases, and from there we expect few to no deaths.

pupppet 5y ago
It is not possible to 'catch immediately'. People spread it, government notices, lock-downs go into effect. A few dozen cases in a country of 1.4B is laughable.
- DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
  Every single person in China who seeks medical care and who has fever or respiratory symptoms is tested. Every person who works in a high-risk job (e.g., airport staff, border staff, some types of medical personnel) is regularly tested. Purchases of over-the-counter fever-reducing drugs are monitored. That's how outbreaks are caught early. If you're interested, and if you read Chinese, you can actually learn in great detail how (almost) each outbreak over the last year-plus was detected. There are detailed contact-tracing reports on most of the outbreaks.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  They don't say a few dozen, they say a few hundred. People spread it, sure, but they test the entire city. The majority of cases are caught immediately.
  - pupppet 5y ago
    The CN government doesn't immediately know when any one of their 1.4B citizens has COVID. Even if they did, early detection decreases death rate, it is not a cure. And zero deaths signals cure.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that most cases are caught immediately. Zero deaths really doesn't signal a cure. Low infections -> less chance of deaths. If you only have 200-300 cases a year, then there's a good chance you'd have no deaths. So no, zero deaths doesn't mean cure, it can just as well mean very low transmission.