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I'm responding with anger, thus I ask for mercy and understanding. I used to be one of the authors of that science. I spent 7 years of my life working on it.

I'm responding with anger, thus I ask for mercy and understanding. I used to be one of the authors of that science. I spent 7 years of my life working on it. For this my take-home pay was close to the poverty line. I was qualified for a ~500K/year job at FANG. That's a heavy sacrifice, not commercial interest and profit margins.

yunohn 5y ago
Your anger is misplaced. You assume I’m talking about individuals; I’m blaming capitalist corporations. Science is not a person, it is a process that involves innumerable functions of people - only one of which are the actual scientists. A great example is the Boeing MAX scandal, where management ignored the engineers and pushed ahead. To be clear, I’m accusing Pfizer et all of corruption. And given their history, I don’t think I’m too off the mark. Underpaid scientists like you should be angry at the corporations and administrations that stole your money.
- alexvoda 5y ago
  Yunohn, you are the one who used the term "the science" which you consider controlled by corporate interests. Mellavora's anger at your comment is justified since at the very least you were directly accusing them of being complicit. You are weaseling out. Pfizer, can be corrupt, and price gouge, and be the perpetrator of various other evils. That does not change the fact that the vaccine they are mass producing based on research done by BioNTech, is ammong the most effective and safest of the 20+ vaccines. And that all of the available vaccines are vastly safer than the disease.
  - yunohn 5y ago
    > You are weaseling out. Thanks for telling me what I meant. But I did not mean that, and the square quotes were intentional. It’s a way of speaking that’s quite widely accepted, and referring to a phenomenon rather than individuals. Surely this is not new to you? Like when someone criticises an authority’s decision, the blame is on the decision makers, not the line workers. Not much to respond to the rest of your comment - I wasn’t telling people to not get the vaccine, and I’m fully vaccinated myself. I’m emphasising the value of skepticism and questioning authority. Cheers!
    - alexvoda 5y ago
      What are you talking about? You consider "the science" to be e phenomenon? What does that even mean? Also, plenty of people who are (voluntarily or involuntarily) spreading FUD are not directly telling others to do or not do something. They are just asking questions. And keep asking the same questions even after they have received answers repeatedly. It is still spreading FUD. Skepticism and questioning authority is good, spreading FUD is not.
      - yunohn 5y ago
        If you think I’m absurd for questioning authority and skepticism in situation where profits are astronomical and will be enforced by governments, I have a bridge to sell you. Regardless, I can tell in your reply that you think of me as a kook, conspiracy theorist. Gday!
        alexvoda 5y ago
        I do not consider scepticism and questioning authority absurd. I consider them healthy. But I do consider persisting in the belief that "they" are hiding some unknown dangerous side effects from us to be absurd. Because there has been so much scrutiny over these vaccines. Each side effect was heavily analysed in multiple countries. Already more than half of the worlds population has been vaccinated. The vaccines are vastly safer than the disease.

yunohn 5y ago

Your anger is misplaced. You assume I’m talking about individuals; I’m blaming capitalist corporations. Science is not a person, it is a process that involves innumerable functions of people - only one of which are the actual scientists. A great example is the Boeing MAX scandal, where management ignored the engineers and pushed ahead. To be clear, I’m accusing Pfizer et all of corruption. And given their history, I don’t think I’m too off the mark. Underpaid scientists like you should be angry at the corporations and administrations that stole your money.

alexvoda 5y ago
Yunohn, you are the one who used the term "the science" which you consider controlled by corporate interests. Mellavora's anger at your comment is justified since at the very least you were directly accusing them of being complicit. You are weaseling out. Pfizer, can be corrupt, and price gouge, and be the perpetrator of various other evils. That does not change the fact that the vaccine they are mass producing based on research done by BioNTech, is ammong the most effective and safest of the 20+ vaccines. And that all of the available vaccines are vastly safer than the disease.
- yunohn 5y ago
  > You are weaseling out. Thanks for telling me what I meant. But I did not mean that, and the square quotes were intentional. It’s a way of speaking that’s quite widely accepted, and referring to a phenomenon rather than individuals. Surely this is not new to you? Like when someone criticises an authority’s decision, the blame is on the decision makers, not the line workers. Not much to respond to the rest of your comment - I wasn’t telling people to not get the vaccine, and I’m fully vaccinated myself. I’m emphasising the value of skepticism and questioning authority. Cheers!
  - alexvoda 5y ago
    What are you talking about? You consider "the science" to be e phenomenon? What does that even mean? Also, plenty of people who are (voluntarily or involuntarily) spreading FUD are not directly telling others to do or not do something. They are just asking questions. And keep asking the same questions even after they have received answers repeatedly. It is still spreading FUD. Skepticism and questioning authority is good, spreading FUD is not.
    - yunohn 5y ago
      If you think I’m absurd for questioning authority and skepticism in situation where profits are astronomical and will be enforced by governments, I have a bridge to sell you. Regardless, I can tell in your reply that you think of me as a kook, conspiracy theorist. Gday!
      - alexvoda 5y ago
        I do not consider scepticism and questioning authority absurd. I consider them healthy. But I do consider persisting in the belief that "they" are hiding some unknown dangerous side effects from us to be absurd. Because there has been so much scrutiny over these vaccines. Each side effect was heavily analysed in multiple countries. Already more than half of the worlds population has been vaccinated. The vaccines are vastly safer than the disease.