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Well - I’m not sure I have doubts but I remain open to the possibility. As a doctor and public health advocate I think the vaccines are miracles and have saved

Well - I’m not sure I have doubts but I remain open to the possibility. As a doctor and public health advocate I think the vaccines are miracles and have saved already millions of lives. Our society is already fundamentally changed by the damage wrought by the virus. There are over 140,000 ORPHANS that have been created by COVID in the last 2 years in the US alone [0]. The vaccine is safe and effective, if unfortunately not sterilizingly effective. We could not have sat on our hands for 2 years waiting to see what happened to the 40,000 people in the initial trials. If there is another chapter to the vaccine story it will come out, because ‘the science’ is not controlled by commercial interests and profit margins, ‘the science’ is something done by thousands of doctors and researchers scattered all over the planet, with access to huge troves of data that are not necessarily all entertained with corporate interests like in the US, and these people care about 2 things : the truth, and the people they care for every day. I don’t want to get into a grinding debate about the commercial interests behind the vaccines - I am ready to accept that they quite often work in ways that would fail the smell test. But that is not science, science is the process of developing a better resolution of the truth and whilst it may be subverted by corporations it can not be stopped 0- https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p1007-covid-19-orphaned-children.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p1007-covid-19-orpha...

yunohn 5y ago
You wrote a very long reply, but didn’t really address my argument directly. I am fully vaccinated, but I’m not blind to capitalistic interests and corruption. The “science” in this case are vaccines produced by pharmaceutical corporations that have the ability to dictate that developing countries pledge their sovereign assets to cover their exorbitant pricing. (1) All vaccine companies are fighting over patents and ownership. And there’s innumerable other scandals. (2) You appear to trust authorities way more than I do, so we probably won’t ever see eye to eye on this. (1) https://www.fdanews.com/articles/202403-pfizer-stops-demanding-south-africa-provide-sovereign-assets-as-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine-lawsuits https://www.fdanews.com/articles/202403-pfizer-stops-demandi... (2) https://www.transparency.org/en/press/covid-19-vaccines-lack-of-transparency-trials-secretive-contracts-science-by-press-release-risk-success-of-global-response https://www.transparency.org/en/press/covid-19-vaccines-lack...
chopin 5y ago
> The vaccine is safe and effective Both the mRNA and the Adenovirus-based vaccines are novel and their long-term effects have not been studied. There is simply no scientific evidence that these vaccines are safe. The benefits of administering these vaccines to vulnerable groups may outweigh the risks. But doing so for groups with little risks from Covid or even children where much less data is available is very questionable.

yunohn 5y ago

You wrote a very long reply, but didn’t really address my argument directly. I am fully vaccinated, but I’m not blind to capitalistic interests and corruption. The “science” in this case are vaccines produced by pharmaceutical corporations that have the ability to dictate that developing countries pledge their sovereign assets to cover their exorbitant pricing. (1) All vaccine companies are fighting over patents and ownership. And there’s innumerable other scandals. (2) You appear to trust authorities way more than I do, so we probably won’t ever see eye to eye on this. (1) https://www.fdanews.com/articles/202403-pfizer-stops-demanding-south-africa-provide-sovereign-assets-as-indemnity-for-covid-19-vaccine-lawsuits https://www.fdanews.com/articles/202403-pfizer-stops-demandi... (2) https://www.transparency.org/en/press/covid-19-vaccines-lack-of-transparency-trials-secretive-contracts-science-by-press-release-risk-success-of-global-response https://www.transparency.org/en/press/covid-19-vaccines-lack...

chopin 5y ago

> The vaccine is safe and effective Both the mRNA and the Adenovirus-based vaccines are novel and their long-term effects have not been studied. There is simply no scientific evidence that these vaccines are safe. The benefits of administering these vaccines to vulnerable groups may outweigh the risks. But doing so for groups with little risks from Covid or even children where much less data is available is very questionable.