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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

56 points by a0-prw 5y ago

qwertyuiop_ 5y ago
DuckDuckGo “died suddenly” for news from June 2021-Dec 2021
- pomdapi 5y ago
  DuckDuckGo did't kill themselves (for news for 07'21-12'21), they were nevertheless found guilty on 5 counts out of 6. /s
  - gpvos 5y ago
    Can any of you please elucidate what you two are referring to?
    - pomdapi 5y ago
      We were crass and gross in equating shadowbanning by search engines with the Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell pedocriminal cases.
andone_eu 5y ago
- pydry 5y ago
  One could assume it's nearly all unvaxxed COVID deaths or lockdown induced suicides depending upon political sports team affiliation. Breakdowns would be appreciated for the less dogmatically inclined though. Personally I wonder if it isnt heavily driven by hospital backlogs. I know people who have essentially died from medical neglect caused by systemic overload. This is hard to "count" though.
  - watwut 5y ago
    > lockdown induced suicides There were less suicides during lockdowns then outside of them.
  - core-utility 5y ago
    I know people who died from medical neglect in fear of systemic overload. Got sent out of the not-at-capacity ER early without concern for what the patient was feeling because of the fear of needing a bed. Died at her home. Triage is a lost concept. Edit: their death was not COVID related, nor did they have COVID
    - pydry 5y ago
      This happened in the UK on a mass scale. Elderly patients were returned to care homes en masse to make space for expected COVID patients. As a result COVID tore through care homes, giving the UK one of the highest death rates.
thathndude 5y ago
I’m curious how much of this increase can be attributed to suicide? If I recall correctly, suicide rates for children ages 5-11 are up dramatically from pre-pandemic levels.* I can only imagine that the increase is the same or even worse for ages 18 to 64. We’ve tortured and hindered the youth of this country to protect folks age 60+. Children are struggling academically due to a lost 1+ year of proper education. The reading gap in 1st-3rd grade is real and documented. And the lingering mental damage … well, we’ll have to wait and see, but it’s not looking good. *to be fair, they were increasing at a worrying rate year over year pre-pandemic
- boopmaster 5y ago
  edit: forget I said anything. There’s unlikely to be civil or sane discourse on this topic.
  - AussieWog93 5y ago
    You can delete comments within a few minutes of leaving them. (Although if my reply is blocking this, sorry!)
- Bergingen 5y ago
  Imagine a society which is not able to handle a pandemic in a better way than just to throw people age 60+ under the bus. Interesting thought. For what do we optimize actually? For the working class? For human lives? You know what would have not been an issue if we would talk to each other and would find a global compromise independent of capitalism? A pandemic. We would just take our knowledge and resources we have and transform it temporarily in a setup in were its not an issue to work from home, work less for a year or two, have family and friend clusters were subgroups can visit each other without spreading virusus, high vaccine rate, masks everywere. I don't mind discussing IF our society should throw older people under the bus, but only if we accept that we did a lot of stuff shitty before and we could do it much better. But also lets not forget one thing: This is a pandemic. Our first pandemic in a modern time, unique to our society. We have handled it much better than 100 years ago.
michaelt 5y ago
Dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29769764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29769764
atlantic 5y ago
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- Fragoel2 5y ago
  With billions of people vaccinated around the world don't you think that we would notice it if this was the case?
  - jstanley 5y ago
    Is this article not an example of "noticing"?
    - xavxav 5y ago
      no, it isn't. Don't go around spreading FUD, the article makes no mention of causation for the deaths, extrapolating that to an entirely hypothetical (and unfounded) vaccine induced immunodeficiency is unjustified.
- xenocratus 5y ago
  Any source for that? And I don't mean a news outlet.
  - tamaharbor 5y ago
    https://vector-news.github.io/editorials/CausalAnalysisReport_html.html https://vector-news.github.io/editorials/CausalAnalysisRepor...
- 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
  - AussieWog93 5y ago
  - Flankk 5y ago
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dzink 5y ago
A better link with more information: https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insuran... There isn’t much detail on the cause of those increased deaths. Worth noting from both articles is that insurance companies don’t pay out for suicide deaths, and there is mention of hospitals filled with other ailments instead of just COVID. So what’s left is the assumption that people of working age are dying from other causes that increase insurance payouts for the working age bracket. Could be worse health, more sedentary lifestyle, increased rate of cancers, heart disease, trauma caused by activities done to reduce boredom, car accidents, alcohol and drug abuse etc. If you have data sources on recent % of causes of death, that may shed more light on the underlying problem than speculation.

56 points by a0-prw 5y ago

qwertyuiop_ 5y ago

DuckDuckGo “died suddenly” for news from June 2021-Dec 2021

pomdapi 5y ago
DuckDuckGo did't kill themselves (for news for 07'21-12'21), they were nevertheless found guilty on 5 counts out of 6. /s
- gpvos 5y ago
  Can any of you please elucidate what you two are referring to?
  - pomdapi 5y ago
    We were crass and gross in equating shadowbanning by search engines with the Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell pedocriminal cases.

andone_eu 5y ago

pydry 5y ago
One could assume it's nearly all unvaxxed COVID deaths or lockdown induced suicides depending upon political sports team affiliation. Breakdowns would be appreciated for the less dogmatically inclined though. Personally I wonder if it isnt heavily driven by hospital backlogs. I know people who have essentially died from medical neglect caused by systemic overload. This is hard to "count" though.
- watwut 5y ago
  > lockdown induced suicides There were less suicides during lockdowns then outside of them.
- core-utility 5y ago
  I know people who died from medical neglect in fear of systemic overload. Got sent out of the not-at-capacity ER early without concern for what the patient was feeling because of the fear of needing a bed. Died at her home. Triage is a lost concept. Edit: their death was not COVID related, nor did they have COVID
  - pydry 5y ago
    This happened in the UK on a mass scale. Elderly patients were returned to care homes en masse to make space for expected COVID patients. As a result COVID tore through care homes, giving the UK one of the highest death rates.

thathndude 5y ago

I’m curious how much of this increase can be attributed to suicide? If I recall correctly, suicide rates for children ages 5-11 are up dramatically from pre-pandemic levels.* I can only imagine that the increase is the same or even worse for ages 18 to 64. We’ve tortured and hindered the youth of this country to protect folks age 60+. Children are struggling academically due to a lost 1+ year of proper education. The reading gap in 1st-3rd grade is real and documented. And the lingering mental damage … well, we’ll have to wait and see, but it’s not looking good. *to be fair, they were increasing at a worrying rate year over year pre-pandemic

boopmaster 5y ago
edit: forget I said anything. There’s unlikely to be civil or sane discourse on this topic.
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  You can delete comments within a few minutes of leaving them. (Although if my reply is blocking this, sorry!)
Bergingen 5y ago
Imagine a society which is not able to handle a pandemic in a better way than just to throw people age 60+ under the bus. Interesting thought. For what do we optimize actually? For the working class? For human lives? You know what would have not been an issue if we would talk to each other and would find a global compromise independent of capitalism? A pandemic. We would just take our knowledge and resources we have and transform it temporarily in a setup in were its not an issue to work from home, work less for a year or two, have family and friend clusters were subgroups can visit each other without spreading virusus, high vaccine rate, masks everywere. I don't mind discussing IF our society should throw older people under the bus, but only if we accept that we did a lot of stuff shitty before and we could do it much better. But also lets not forget one thing: This is a pandemic. Our first pandemic in a modern time, unique to our society. We have handled it much better than 100 years ago.

michaelt 5y ago

Dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29769764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29769764

atlantic 5y ago

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Fragoel2 5y ago
With billions of people vaccinated around the world don't you think that we would notice it if this was the case?
- jstanley 5y ago
  Is this article not an example of "noticing"?
  - xavxav 5y ago
    no, it isn't. Don't go around spreading FUD, the article makes no mention of causation for the deaths, extrapolating that to an entirely hypothetical (and unfounded) vaccine induced immunodeficiency is unjustified.
xenocratus 5y ago
Any source for that? And I don't mean a news outlet.
- tamaharbor 5y ago
  https://vector-news.github.io/editorials/CausalAnalysisReport_html.html https://vector-news.github.io/editorials/CausalAnalysisRepor...
0x0nyandesu 5y ago
- AussieWog93 5y ago
- Flankk 5y ago

deleted 5y ago

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dzink 5y ago

A better link with more information: https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insuran... There isn’t much detail on the cause of those increased deaths. Worth noting from both articles is that insurance companies don’t pay out for suicide deaths, and there is mention of hospitals filled with other ailments instead of just COVID. So what’s left is the assumption that people of working age are dying from other causes that increase insurance payouts for the working age bracket. Could be worse health, more sedentary lifestyle, increased rate of cancers, heart disease, trauma caused by activities done to reduce boredom, car accidents, alcohol and drug abuse etc. If you have data sources on recent % of causes of death, that may shed more light on the underlying problem than speculation.