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The article states, > It may be particularly helpful to eat ... low in red and processed meat and whole-fat dairy. Then in the next paragraph states, > It’s

The article states, > It may be particularly helpful to eat ... low in red and processed meat and whole-fat dairy. Then in the next paragraph states, > It’s partly because protein-rich foods such as nuts and seeds, fish, poultry and eggs contain tryptophan, an amino acid from which the sleep-regulating hormone melatonin is produced. Dairy and meat are very protein-rich and high in tryptophan, so based on what the author says, should be consumed for better sleep. The author says nothing about why we should avoid red meat and whole-fat dairy.

fsflover 5y ago
> The author says nothing about why we should avoid red meat and whole-fat dairy. Have a look at the modern nutrition research: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you....
- throwaway599281 5y ago
  >The National Academy of Medicine recommends that adults get a minimum of 0.8 grams of protein for every kilogram of body weight per day If you want to look like a feeble elderly that sounds like a good amount for an adult male.
  - maccard 5y ago
    have you a citatoin for requiring more protein than the shared resrarch for a healthy muscle mass?
- Zababa 5y ago
  Modern nutrition research is often imprecise and contradicts itself. An example: > Research conducted at the Harvard Chan School of Public Health has found that eating even small amounts of red meat—especially processed red meat—on a regular basis is linked to an increased risk of heart disease and stroke, and the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease or any other cause. Processed meats are defined as: > Processed meat refers to any meat that has been “transformed through salting, curing, fermentation, smoking, or other processes to enhance flavor or improve preservation.” So they don't seems to make a distinction between a regular cut of beef and ground beef. I would think this distinction is important, because I believe ground meat often comes in a "whole unhealthy package" (burger, pizza, often it goes with cheese and sauces). But based on that article, there is no way to prove or deny that. Even with all of that they said, it's possible that a subset of what they consider "red meat" could be good for you, and another subset really terrible. The fat percentage and types may have an influence. The animal may have an influence. How the animal was fed may have an influence. I have a hard time believing that 100g of local, grass fed beef steak is exactly the same as 100g of kebab meat from a low-quality kebab shop. But this article doesn't make a distinction between the two. There is also this statement: > Plant-based protein sources are more unsaturated, which lowers LDL cholesterol—an established risk factor for heart disease. Also, plant sources contain no cholesterol. Other factors are likely to contribute to the lower risk, but this is a key factor. I've heard plenty of time that your blood levels of cholesterol are not strongly correlated to the cholesterol you eat. From the same website you linked (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/cholesterol/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you...): > The biggest influence on blood cholesterol level is the mix of fats and carbohydrates in your diet—not the amount of cholesterol you eat from food. > The discovery half a century ago that high blood cholesterol levels were strongly associated with an increased risk for heart disease triggered numerous warnings to avoid foods that contain cholesterol, especially eggs and liver. However, scientific studies show a weak relationship between the amount of cholesterol a person consumes and his or her blood cholesterol levels > In studies of more than 80,000 female nurses, Harvard researchers found that consuming about an egg a day was not associated with higher risk of heart disease. > The body uses cholesterol as the starting point to make estrogen, testosterone, vitamin D, and other vital compounds. There's a problem here. One article is claiming that you should eat plants because they don't have cholesterol, and cholesterol is an established risk factor for heart disease. The other article says that this makes low to no difference, especially if you don't have heart disease already.
- dempedempe 5y ago
  > Have a look at the modern nutrition research I was claiming that the article is poorly written, not whether red meat is healthy or not. But even if I was, the article that you link to says nothing about red meat being bad for sleep (the author's claim).

fsflover 5y ago

> The author says nothing about why we should avoid red meat and whole-fat dairy. Have a look at the modern nutrition research: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you....

throwaway599281 5y ago
>The National Academy of Medicine recommends that adults get a minimum of 0.8 grams of protein for every kilogram of body weight per day If you want to look like a feeble elderly that sounds like a good amount for an adult male.
- maccard 5y ago
  have you a citatoin for requiring more protein than the shared resrarch for a healthy muscle mass?
Zababa 5y ago
Modern nutrition research is often imprecise and contradicts itself. An example: > Research conducted at the Harvard Chan School of Public Health has found that eating even small amounts of red meat—especially processed red meat—on a regular basis is linked to an increased risk of heart disease and stroke, and the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease or any other cause. Processed meats are defined as: > Processed meat refers to any meat that has been “transformed through salting, curing, fermentation, smoking, or other processes to enhance flavor or improve preservation.” So they don't seems to make a distinction between a regular cut of beef and ground beef. I would think this distinction is important, because I believe ground meat often comes in a "whole unhealthy package" (burger, pizza, often it goes with cheese and sauces). But based on that article, there is no way to prove or deny that. Even with all of that they said, it's possible that a subset of what they consider "red meat" could be good for you, and another subset really terrible. The fat percentage and types may have an influence. The animal may have an influence. How the animal was fed may have an influence. I have a hard time believing that 100g of local, grass fed beef steak is exactly the same as 100g of kebab meat from a low-quality kebab shop. But this article doesn't make a distinction between the two. There is also this statement: > Plant-based protein sources are more unsaturated, which lowers LDL cholesterol—an established risk factor for heart disease. Also, plant sources contain no cholesterol. Other factors are likely to contribute to the lower risk, but this is a key factor. I've heard plenty of time that your blood levels of cholesterol are not strongly correlated to the cholesterol you eat. From the same website you linked (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/cholesterol/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you...): > The biggest influence on blood cholesterol level is the mix of fats and carbohydrates in your diet—not the amount of cholesterol you eat from food. > The discovery half a century ago that high blood cholesterol levels were strongly associated with an increased risk for heart disease triggered numerous warnings to avoid foods that contain cholesterol, especially eggs and liver. However, scientific studies show a weak relationship between the amount of cholesterol a person consumes and his or her blood cholesterol levels > In studies of more than 80,000 female nurses, Harvard researchers found that consuming about an egg a day was not associated with higher risk of heart disease. > The body uses cholesterol as the starting point to make estrogen, testosterone, vitamin D, and other vital compounds. There's a problem here. One article is claiming that you should eat plants because they don't have cholesterol, and cholesterol is an established risk factor for heart disease. The other article says that this makes low to no difference, especially if you don't have heart disease already.
dempedempe 5y ago
> Have a look at the modern nutrition research I was claiming that the article is poorly written, not whether red meat is healthy or not. But even if I was, the article that you link to says nothing about red meat being bad for sleep (the author's claim).