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You Feel Like Shit
- episode0x01 5y agoReally cool idea. Saved it to my home screen. Only thing is that is that the questions feel like roadblocks. For instance, last night I got 6 hours of sleep and it says I should come back after I nap. But I can't nap right now. I guess I could just say I did and see what the other questions have to offer. I wonder what another decision path would look like where you can select "I need this but can't do it right now".
- awestroke 5y agoWhy can't you take a nap right now?
- episode0x01 5y agoWork. Meetings. Normal corporate hell
- CipherThrowaway 5y agoI also had 6 hours last night. Here's why I'm not taking a nap. 1. I have things to do. 2. Naps throw off my sleep cycle 3. 6 hours isn't the end of the world. The self-care advice on this website is bullshit.
- awestroke 5y agoGetting enough sleep is really important. But sure, disregard the science, your hunch in the matter is probably worth more than the cumulative body of sleep science
- CipherThrowaway 5y agoGetting enough sleep is important. But some nights you will not achieve the ideal of 8 hours. Once this has happened it is a sunk cost and you need to get on with your day. Psychorigid and neurotic attitudes towards sleep do not promote good sleep. You can not "catch up" on lost sleep by napping. Instead, you risk throwing off your sleep for that night and perpetuating a pattern of sleeplessness. Afternoon naps are bad sleep hygiene. They are something you unlearn in treatment for insomnia and many other sleep disorders.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y agoWhat percentage of people _can_ take a nap at some point in the working day? I'd say low. And even if you can, "Naps throw off the sleep cycle", not everyone finds them worthwhile.
- shultays 5y agoNaps are often the reason that I can't sleep on time.
- 1_player 5y ago> Have you eaten in the last four hours? Apparently this is a reason to feel like shit, according to this site. If you feel crap after only 4 hours since your last meal, quit eating so much sugar and eat decent food that keeps you filled and energised for a while. In fact, I reach my peak productivity at least 4 hours after a meal, when my body isn't spending much energy digesting food. Have you ever experienced the mental clarity of 12 or 24 hours of fasting? The idea that we need to eat many small meals is such a Western, privileged world wife's tale that keeps being repeated. We're designed to function and hunt after some prey after days of starvation. We're not designed for the modern blood sugar seesaw. Not eating for 4 hours isn't gonna kill you, and if it is, stop eating Mars bars for lunch, and ingest some proper food.
- otherotherchris 5y agoSome people actually need that reminder. Particularly if they're on a keto diet and don't get glucose withdrawl. I'm a bit absent minded and some days I start to feel tired and a bit anxious around ~3-4pm. I feel awful, and I'm wracking my brain for what I'd forgotten to do that day. Oh wait, it was breakfast and lunch...
- emsy 5y agoThat tripped me up as well but it get‘s worse. Apparently you either know why you’re in a bad mood or not. Being in a good mood is not even an option.
- makeitdouble 5y agoIt was a simplistic pop quiz site, but your answer to that is as simplistic. People eat different amount, digest things differently. If with the little info you get your first thought was to blame sugar, it feels to me you’re on a journey against some giants/windmills, because really life is more complicated than that.
- sippeangelo 5y agoCute idea, but sharing intimate details about your mental state with Google it's probably a bad idea.
- account-5 5y agoYep, couldn't agree more, they know enough.
- GuB-42 5y agoIf you are concerned by that, you can mirror it (wget -m) and run it locally. Out of the box, it will yell at you and styling will be broken, but it will be functional. The entire mirror is also smaller than most web pages nowadays: 500k and 100 files total.
- sillysaurusx 5y agoDoes anyone really think that this is going to tip any scales in terms of knowledge about you? We got a new dog a few days ago. I immediately -- almost instantly -- noticed that tiktok started showing me new-dog videos. Things like "How to kennel train your dog" and so on. I was very confused, and reasoned that the most likely explanation was that I had subconsciously been liking dog videos in our run-up to getting a puppy. But then it occurred to me that it's quite realistic to think an ML model got me: I'm logged into tiktok via Google as myself; there's certainly data sharing agreements in place; my purchasing habits are no doubt tracked by multiple vectors; and I know from experience that ML can infer some surprising things from sparse data. My point is, in an era when algorithms know the instant you get a new puppy, or the month you get pregnant, or the week you get fired, or have an extremely accurate picture of just how much disposable income you have... ... are you really going to care about sharing whether you feel like shit? That's the hill we pick? :)
- sva_ 5y ago> I was very confused, and reasoned that the most likely explanation was that I had subconsciously been liking dog videos in our run-up to getting a puppy. But then it occurred to me that it's quite realistic to think an ML model got me: I'm logged into tiktok via Google as myself; there's certainly data sharing agreements in place; my purchasing habits are no doubt tracked by multiple vectors; and I know from experience that ML can infer some surprising things from sparse data. I think the answer is probably more mundane: someone an edge away from you on their social graph looked at dog videos, and they correlated it based on that.
- laputan_machine 5y agoA word to the owner: eating every four hours is probably a reason you feel like shit. Fasting is not a bad thing. I stopped eating breakfast over a decade ago, it actually made me feel better in the mornings.
- mangamadaiyan 5y agoEveryone's different. I can skip lunch occasionally, but never breakfast. Also, nowhere does it say that the reader needs to stuff themselves till they're uncomfortably full every four hours!
- coldtea 5y ago>Everyone's different. Most of differences of this kind is due to habbit than some unique psysiology. With some time spent, one could easily learn to skip breakfast and be fine (or start eating it and be fine).
- kupopuffs 5y agowhat you're saying is... humans are plastic
- coldtea 5y agoYes, and more precisely that "I'm different" for things like above is more often than not due to habbits and cultural/family/learnt preferences than to some unique physiology or body needs.
- mangamadaiyan 5y agoI'd be interested in knowing the reasoning behind that conclusion.
- mangamadaiyan 5y agoKey point being "most", I'd think?
- diimdeep 5y agoIt is from people with "Creative Writing B.A., minor in Theatre", with no psychotherapy affiliation, keep that in mind and take care.
- jstx1 5y agoEh, people with all sorts of backgrounds can have a lot of knowledge about other fields. What you did at university shouldn't restrict your entire knowledge domain.
- Levitz 5y agoI mean sure, but this is based on Jace Harr's guide, as per the about page: >The content is adapted from the incredibly helpful and popular twine You feel like shit: an Interactive Self Care Guide developed by Jace Harr Now I'm just going to point out to some other advice by Jace Harr, from https://jaceharr.com/2018/07/15/living-a-charmed-life-witchcraft-personal-development/ https://jaceharr.com/2018/07/15/living-a-charmed-life-witchc.... >Use Tarot for insights on current and past situations rather than for gossip about the future. >Use your Book of Shadows or journal to record your progress. Then we have an entire article titled "Why We Need Self-Diagnosis": https://jaceharr.com/2016/07/31/why-we-need-self-diagnosis/ https://jaceharr.com/2016/07/31/why-we-need-self-diagnosis/ But above all, the worst crime, the absolute peak of failure: The site doesn't work on Firefox. Goddamnit.
- jstx1 5y agoIt works on my Firefox (95.0.2 on MacOS).
- Levitz 5y agoHuh. I assumed Firefox would be the problem since opening it with Chrome worked, even after disabling plugins that I considered might have been a problem. Another, clean installation of Firefox DID work though, so I got to tinkering a bit and it turns out that, somehow, the one that is a problem is dark reader, which returns a >Some files on the server may be missing or incorrect. Clear browser cache and try again. If the problem persists please contact website author. Error. Weird.
- pid-1 5y agoMy personal quiz: 1 - when I last exercised? 2 - how many hours did I work today?
- davidkunz 5y ago> For aches and pains, take an aspirin. I'm not sure if that's a good advice. AFAIK, in the USA this seems to be common practice but in Germany people are more reluctant to take painkillers, for good reasons: You will be more careful when using the respective body part.
- thenoblesunfish 5y agoIn the long term, exercise (including very light things like stretching, easy yoga, etc.) is probably the more robust solution to aches and pains (excluding severe or chronic things that you would go to a doctor for). Plus, good for depression which obviously is a big reason to feel like shit.
- eCa 5y agoThat’s how far I got in my click-through. When the first response to ’something is aching’ is ’take a pill’, I don’t take the source seriously.
- sva_ 5y ago> If you feel anxious, take your Xanax. /s
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- zufallsheld 5y agoDepends on what's hurt. If you got tense muscles, aspirin helps. It will make you not feel the pain, then the muscles relax and the tension goes away.
- vultour 5y agoNone of the people I know even take aspirin as a painkiller. Blood thinners seem like a strange first choice.
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- totetsu 5y agoare you mindlessly browsing the internet on your phone?
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- makeitdouble 5y agoSite feels heartwarming, but why do people think it’s a good idea to throw random life advices at strangers that might be on the other side of the earth and live a life they can’t even imagine ? Horoscopes and fortune cookies usually make a outsized effort to come with as bland advice as possible. I’d imagine the owner of the site getting buckets of death threat level of feedback if this gets any traction.
- jstx1 5y agoDeath threats? Why so extreme? Or why even take the whole thing so seriously? I didn't think all the questions (or the options to choose from) were great but the general idea of checking whether you're okay physically, and then checking whether you're okay mentally, is very valid. > why do people think it’s a good idea to throw random life advices at strangers that might be on the other side of the earth and live a life they can’t even imagine ? People are sharing what they've learned. Advice doesn't need to work for everyone to be good advice. And it doesn't need to be perfect advice to teach you something useful.
- makeitdouble 5y agoI see HN as a very supportive community, and you can see the overall negativity of the feedback. This would be way worse in a facebook thread for instance. > Advice doesn't need to work for everyone to be good advice. This is a valid approach for personal advice, or at least advice from someone that identifies as an individual speaking for themselves. It’s a different matter when it is broadcast indiscriminately and sets itself as a self-help resource.
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- hd4 5y agoSimilar energy to the Eliza test, if anyone played that game.
- skrebbel 5y agoI think this extremely well done! I love the simplicity of the design and the flow, and I think the wording is excellent (tone, conciseness, everything - I bet it wasn't as easy to write as it looks!) I know this is HN so half the comments will be about magnifying this one sentence that they think is wrong, but FWIW this is the first self-help thing that's actually put a smile on my face. Thanks! Bookmarking.
- guerrilla 5y agoReminds me of my favorite raccoon meme: https://i.imgur.com/jBBTOdg.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/jBBTOdg.jpeg
- diimdeep 5y agoHere is better link to original thing [1] [1] https://philome.la/jace_harr/you-feel-like-shit-an-interactive-self-care-guide/play/index.html https://philome.la/jace_harr/you-feel-like-shit-an-interacti...
- atorodius 5y agoSo much negativity here… I once „felt like shit“ and found this on Google, and it helped me. It’s just a little tool to suggest small (short term) things to break out of your rut, not a life philosophy. If you don’t want to eat because you ate 4h, just don‘t, and move to the next question. But maybe you were immersed in coding and forgot food.
- the-dude 5y agoObligatory : Are you tired? Tell us why. http://tired.com http://tired.com
- Kelamir 5y agoI'm surprised at the negativity people have towards it. I wonder what they'll have to say when those points of critique are fixed, like the fasting crowd's issue with 4 hours span. I find the website fairly useful. When I'm feeling like that it's hard to take care of things like window being closed and me not getting enough oxygen. Forgetting to eat is a thing too. Reminding is nice.
- H8crilA 5y agoMaybe it's because it feels kinda entitled to think that depressed people have problems at this level. It's like a children's book. OTOH a generic 5min guide like that can't really help in non-trivial cases.
- padolsey 5y agoTbf the website doesn’t state it’s for those with depression
- brailsafe 5y agoDepressed people do often have problems at this level. It helps sometimes to deal with the basic trivialities of life when more complex issues are having their way with you.
- algoafalar 5y agoI think that your calling it a "children's book" is even worse. I have depression and I sometimes feel paralyzed because even small chores like drinking water can be challenges. So having this flowchart actually helped me a little. It won't cure the chronic depression, but at least today I managed to tidy up the house a little. It's not 0 or 100%.
- neuronic 5y agoIt's peak "technology folks solve all the problems in the world" thinking...
- moffkalast 5y ago> Forgetting to eat is a thing too If only there was a mechanism the body had to alert you of it, like some kind of feeling perhaps...
- JanLikar 5y agoI had the same exact idea (barring shit emojis). I'm so happy someone implemented this! Some people with mild depressive episodes don't realize they have the power to break free and make themselves feel better by simply taking action. I imagine this kind of app might just be the thing to get them started in the right direction. But it goes without saying: if you have any persistent issues, contact a health care professional.
- praveen9920 5y ago> In my experience, most of the people who would need a flow chart like this have a mental health problem of some type. NOW.. I feel like shit
- mongol 5y agoNo reason to. That is an ignorant opinion. A vetted flow chart for health problems is an excellent idea. Not only for health, but for car problems, computer problems, anything. As long as it asks the right questions and provises the right advice. A perfect chart would be indistinguishable from an expert brain.
- mongol 5y agoDoes it ask when you last took a shit? That may actually be more relevant.
- glenneroo 5y agoTrue... but that might be hard to make suggestions. > Yes, I took a shit in the last 24 hours -> Continue to next question > No I didn't take a shit -> Go take some laxatives, smoke a cigarette, or go sit on the toilet and push one out (don't give yourself a Hernia though!) > Yes but I have diarrhea -> Continue to next question
- emptyfile 5y ago>Drink a glass of whatever liquid you like best. Water is ideal, but don't beat yourself up if you'd rather have tea, soda, juice, or milk. Soda will actually make you feel thirstier, but if it's easier for you, then that's okay! Is this a joke website? Pro life hint: drinking soda and similar is why you feel like shit.
- gcr 5y agoexecutive function disorders are complex, give us a break!
- lexapro 5y agoYou seem to completely lack empathy.
- emptyfile 5y agoIt honestly makes me sad that giving bad information with a smile is more encouraged then giving blunt truth. Every day I lose hope that this society will get better.
- mattwilsonn888 5y agoYou're not alone. Positivity is not a personality trait and I seriously question the competence of ideas or people who compensate for something with positivity. Your best friends will hurt you small now to prevent you from being an idiot in the future and causing tenfold damage be it socially or otherwise. I consider friends "too positive" to have given me such warnings as flawed.
- lexapro 5y agoWhy is it bad information? What is wrong about "water is ideal"? No one feels like shit just because they drink soda from time to time, and obviously soda is better than not drinking anything. Yeah 100% water is best, it's what I do as well, but come on have some empathy.
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- shultays 5y agoIf you read the about page: https://youfeellikeshit.com/about.html https://youfeellikeshit.com/about.html The content is adapted from the incredibly helpful and popular twine You feel like shit: an Interactive Self Care Guide developed by Jace Harr, with permission. And that website is: https://philome.la/jace_harr/you-feel-like-shit-an-interactive-self-care-guide/play/index.html https://philome.la/jace_harr/you-feel-like-shit-an-interacti... Has the same content as far as I can see. I wonder how that other author was OK with that
- icy 5y agoIt does say “with permission”.
- padolsey 5y agoIt seems that some people are misunderstanding the value in these questions and the insight they lend. It seems potentially very useful for those with various types of executive dysfunction or mental illnesses that prevent them from either bodily or environmental introspection. If you have experienced these levels of dysfunctions or panics then you'll hopefully understand how a mindful and procedural reflection on your current state and surroundings can be very useful, and can let you escape from attacks, flare-ups or endless cognitive loops. Being prompted by such questions helps. For me, after a brain injury, I found it very useful, when in a panic attack, to step through possible issues and try to alleviate them one by one. Any marginal improvement is worth it if it helps you escape distress. Also, some people have problems finding internal ways to articulate feelings. Emotional wheels (google it!) are very useful in those who are perhaps neuro-divergent and less able to differentiate internal states without prompts. Of course a website like this is not exhaustive or entirely encompassing all experiences. But that doesn't necessarily reduce its utility.
- algoafalar 5y agoI envy those somewhat insensible people in this thread, because it shows they probably never felt something close to this. It's not something I would wish upon anyone, that's for sure. The questionable diet advice is likely the only thing they can sympathize (or "antipathize"?) and pick up upon Hacker-news style. Apart from the dieting advice, for me the flowchart was actually pretty useful, specially for someone that ends up paralized when you have too many small chores to do. Then you go through the day smelling like shit, with the house looking like crap and every hour you just feel worse for not having done that yet. I'm thinking of printing a flowchart in the style of these questions to help me through the mornings. And thanks for the "emotional wheels" tip, it does seem like something that would help me
- YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y agoAre you suggesting that a badly made website is something that helps people that need a mental health professional? The website is bad with bad unscientific advice. It's a questionary about feeling shit and not ONE of the answers is see a professional if you end it with "I still feel like shit" the answer is "Well that just happens sometimes".
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- thinkingemote 5y agoMaybe those criticizing this a) already know why they feel bad or b) feel good.
- CipherThrowaway 5y agoThis site reminds me of every person I knew that never got better. Self-care is about long term health promotion. Not short term comfort maximization and pain avoidance. The first question alone tells me that an obese person wrote this.
- bayesian_horse 5y agoNot necessarily. An obese person would know that feeling well without eating constantly throughout the day is not only possible but necessary. It is depressing to think otherwise... There are plenty of sugar-addicted lean people who can't bear the thought of four hours without food.
- emmo 5y agoIt is indeed created by an overweight, self-proclaimed "fat activist".
- insickness 5y agoQuestions like "Are you feeling anxious/depressed/depersonalized" would be better if accompanied by a list of symptoms for these states. For example, when someone feels depressed, they don't always feel sad, which is what most people associate with depression. They may feel anhedonia, a reduced interest in activities they used to enjoy, or a decreased ability to feel pleasure.
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- bayesian_horse 5y agoAutomating being a smart ass and making people's feelings worse...
- EugeneOZ 5y agoIndeed, this tool is quite annoying.
- 5350-uiop-1130 5y agoThe only feedback I have is that, if I was feeling like shit or in a depressed mood then having to click through all those prompts would probably p*ss me off even more. Perhaps there's another way of presenting the content, without (again, my view) patronising a potentially depressed person.
- Jaruzel 5y agoTop tip: If you feel like shit most of the time. Go see a Doctor. Don't rely on online quizzes.
- xkbarkar 5y agoI feel like shit because I am alone. > Well why don't you just skype a friend? Possible answers. `I just skyped a friend and I feel better. Continue. ` Getting a very strong "Just say no to drugs" vibe from this.
- syntaxfree 5y agoI got in a loop. I volunteer on 7cups and recommend everyone who can spare the time to do the same. It’s basically chatting with strangers in distress, although the system keeps reminding you to focus on “active listening”.
- KennyFromIT 5y agoHaving just woken up feeling like shit, I think the first question should be whether or not you just woke up and if the answer is "yes" it should prompt you for water instead of food. Most people are dehydrated after sleeping through the night and don't realize it.
- bregma 5y agoFor those of you who think that fasting or low blood sugar does not affect your personality, you probably have a number of other social-interaction issues you need to be working on. Sure, a good diet should make a meal last 6 hours. You should adopt good habits. But if you're acting like a smug jerk right now because you're blood sugar is low, eat something. I see a lot of commenters here who need to have a quick snack and reevaluate their dietary habits.
- thefz 5y agoIf anything, fasting makes me way more patient with people. Blood sugar swings make me irritable. Your diet/life is not everybody else's.
- graderjs 5y agoThis is pretty awesome, actually. Seriously. I've never seen anything like this before...but it's good to have a 'checklist' -- for something to make you feel better. It covers a lot of bases, and has useful strategies. When you're feeling overwhelmed or worked up, sometimes it's not easy to remember what works for you. This thing helps. If you're arrogant or dismissive about it...that's OK. Just notice that's a reaction and know not everyone shares it. The wisdom in these suggestions is belied by their simplicity and apparent obviousness I think. I think easily there could be many people who exist in a stressed and worked up state, and incorrectly try to take that out on others, but don't even realize that they could feel differently, nor notice they're not in a 'normal' state. I think it would be very easy for someone in that situation to dismiss this checklist or not see the value of it...but I also think, it could really have profound effects on their well-being, and those around them...if they gave it a try. If you think this stuff is all obvious: you might be really good at managing yourself. In which case, that's great. But you also might be forgetting that recognition, not recall, is the easier task--as in you may find it hard to recall things like this when you really may need them. It looks like it would help a lot of people...I hope you enjoy it.
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- mongol 5y agoThis is the most Reddit-ish thread I have seen on HN
- mattwilsonn888 5y agoI found this patronizing and shallow.
- thenoblesunfish 5y ago> most of the people who would need a flow chart like this have a mental health problem of some type Now that made me feel like shit! Because it means that either a) I'm a whiner who has no justifiable reason to complain about feeling bad or b) I'm too deluded to admit that I have a mental illness. One of those could be true, of course, but at least in my case, that line is working against the stated purpose of this website.
- pseudalopex 5y agoThat was their explanation for asking about mental health. "You, of course, might have different needs, but starting here can't hurt." was the next sentence.