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Can this be used for sleep tracking? How precise do the measurements need to be to give useful data about one’s sleep? (e.g. how much deep sleep one had.)

twofornone 5y ago
It looks like the sample rate is more than high enough to differentiate between the typical alpha, theta, and delta waves, which should be enough to discern sleep stages. The hard part is a quality electrode-scalp contact which maintains relatively constant impedance over the course of sleep, especially after movement. EEG is all about signal/noise, because ultimately you are amplifying tiny currents which are easily drowned out by noise from contact movement and I think even RF interference (you can trivially pick up 60hz mains noise even if you're sitting ≈10 feet from the nearest powered appliance/wire). OpenBCI sells electrode caps which they claim are sufficient for sleep studies, unfortunately IIRC they are somewhat inconvenient because the electrodes require wetting and/or gel which must be applied to each electrode every time the cap is worn. I have yet to shell out the $500+ to give it a try, but that's still way cheaper than medical grade devices.
- agnosticmantis 5y ago
  Thanks, that’s very useful information. The wetting/gel requirement indeed makes it inconvenient to wear the cap at night. Do you know of any good resources for someone with a background in stats/ml but no neuroscience knowledge who wants to learn more as a hobbyist?
  - sebastianvoelkl 5y ago
    You can check this out :) https://neurotechedu.com/courses/course-v1:NTX+NT101+2021_Q1/about https://neurotechedu.com/courses/course-v1:NTX+NT101+2021_Q1...
Youden 5y ago
If you want sleep tracking, you can use Muse S [0]. You can stream EEG readings in real-time using [1]. However it's really, really hard to get _useful_ data about one's sleep. The results computed by Muse are garbage. The only successful product I know is Dreem [2] but they've exited the consumer market. At the moment, I think the easiest way is to get an ECG (yep, for the heart, not the head) and process the readings using z3score-hrv [3]. [0]: https://choosemuse.com/muse-s/ https://choosemuse.com/muse-s/ [1]: https://github.com/alexandrebarachant/muse-lsl https://github.com/alexandrebarachant/muse-lsl [2]: https://dreem.com/ https://dreem.com/ [3]: https://medium.com/neurobit-technologies/clinical-grade-sleep-tracking-using-z3score-hrv-api-246b2c8a70e9 https://medium.com/neurobit-technologies/clinical-grade-slee...

twofornone 5y ago

It looks like the sample rate is more than high enough to differentiate between the typical alpha, theta, and delta waves, which should be enough to discern sleep stages. The hard part is a quality electrode-scalp contact which maintains relatively constant impedance over the course of sleep, especially after movement. EEG is all about signal/noise, because ultimately you are amplifying tiny currents which are easily drowned out by noise from contact movement and I think even RF interference (you can trivially pick up 60hz mains noise even if you're sitting ≈10 feet from the nearest powered appliance/wire). OpenBCI sells electrode caps which they claim are sufficient for sleep studies, unfortunately IIRC they are somewhat inconvenient because the electrodes require wetting and/or gel which must be applied to each electrode every time the cap is worn. I have yet to shell out the $500+ to give it a try, but that's still way cheaper than medical grade devices.

agnosticmantis 5y ago
Thanks, that’s very useful information. The wetting/gel requirement indeed makes it inconvenient to wear the cap at night. Do you know of any good resources for someone with a background in stats/ml but no neuroscience knowledge who wants to learn more as a hobbyist?
- sebastianvoelkl 5y ago
  You can check this out :) https://neurotechedu.com/courses/course-v1:NTX+NT101+2021_Q1/about https://neurotechedu.com/courses/course-v1:NTX+NT101+2021_Q1...

Youden 5y ago

If you want sleep tracking, you can use Muse S [0]. You can stream EEG readings in real-time using [1]. However it's really, really hard to get _useful_ data about one's sleep. The results computed by Muse are garbage. The only successful product I know is Dreem [2] but they've exited the consumer market. At the moment, I think the easiest way is to get an ECG (yep, for the heart, not the head) and process the readings using z3score-hrv [3]. [0]: https://choosemuse.com/muse-s/ https://choosemuse.com/muse-s/ [1]: https://github.com/alexandrebarachant/muse-lsl https://github.com/alexandrebarachant/muse-lsl [2]: https://dreem.com/ https://dreem.com/ [3]: https://medium.com/neurobit-technologies/clinical-grade-sleep-tracking-using-z3score-hrv-api-246b2c8a70e9 https://medium.com/neurobit-technologies/clinical-grade-slee...