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> GitHub rarely takes action against accounts well, this just made the Hacker News front page a few minutes ago :-D https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29870

> GitHub rarely takes action against accounts well, this just made the Hacker News front page a few minutes ago :-D https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29870151 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29870151

junon 5y ago
DMCA notices have to be complied with else Github can get heavily penalized. This isn't Github's choice. DMCA is an entirely different beast, and it's not Github's fault that whole system is broken.
- mastazi 5y ago
  I'm not trying to assess whose fault it is for something. I'm reasoning about where my personal repos should be, and the answer is "not on Github", for the same reason that my email is not on Gmail: it's on someone else's server, they can close my account if they want, it happened before, might happen again. Just because some things happen rarely, that doesn't mean you should not be prepared, as an example we know that airliners very rarely suffer from fatal accidents but that's not a good reason for you not to fasten the seat belt during certain phases of flight.
- anonymousab 5y ago
  > DMCA is an entirely different beast, and it's not Github's fault that whole system is broken. Microsoft and co. probably have the leverage to move that needle a little if they really wanted to.
  - junon 5y ago
    No, they don't. Companies don't fuck around with the DMCA stuff.
    - mastazi 5y ago
      And that's exactly why it's not worth it to keep your data on such services. Someone can make an unsubstantiated DMCA claim and in most cases your account will be taken down automatically without even any human verification. Which means that even if you did nothing wrong, you will still lose all your data.
      - junon 5y ago
        This isn't unique to Github, though. You're advocating for absolutely no use of third party services, then.
        mastazi 5y ago
        Exactly, in the last 2-3 years I closed more than a dozen of accounts, from Facebook to Google and more :-) Something like Netflix, I'm OK with, even if they close my account for some arcane reason, I'll just make a new one. The services I'm going to avoid are those where losing the account would mean losing important data (email, docs, etc.) and those where a data breach could mean sensitive data being exposed (e.g. non-encrypted messaging apps, doctor's online booking systems etc.). And yes I actively advocate for this with other people too. I'm not a fundamentalist or anything but I want people I care about to understand the risks associated to using online services that you don't really own.

junon 5y ago

DMCA notices have to be complied with else Github can get heavily penalized. This isn't Github's choice. DMCA is an entirely different beast, and it's not Github's fault that whole system is broken.

mastazi 5y ago
I'm not trying to assess whose fault it is for something. I'm reasoning about where my personal repos should be, and the answer is "not on Github", for the same reason that my email is not on Gmail: it's on someone else's server, they can close my account if they want, it happened before, might happen again. Just because some things happen rarely, that doesn't mean you should not be prepared, as an example we know that airliners very rarely suffer from fatal accidents but that's not a good reason for you not to fasten the seat belt during certain phases of flight.
anonymousab 5y ago
> DMCA is an entirely different beast, and it's not Github's fault that whole system is broken. Microsoft and co. probably have the leverage to move that needle a little if they really wanted to.
- junon 5y ago
  No, they don't. Companies don't fuck around with the DMCA stuff.
  - mastazi 5y ago
    And that's exactly why it's not worth it to keep your data on such services. Someone can make an unsubstantiated DMCA claim and in most cases your account will be taken down automatically without even any human verification. Which means that even if you did nothing wrong, you will still lose all your data.
    - junon 5y ago
      This isn't unique to Github, though. You're advocating for absolutely no use of third party services, then.
      - mastazi 5y ago
        Exactly, in the last 2-3 years I closed more than a dozen of accounts, from Facebook to Google and more :-) Something like Netflix, I'm OK with, even if they close my account for some arcane reason, I'll just make a new one. The services I'm going to avoid are those where losing the account would mean losing important data (email, docs, etc.) and those where a data breach could mean sensitive data being exposed (e.g. non-encrypted messaging apps, doctor's online booking systems etc.). And yes I actively advocate for this with other people too. I'm not a fundamentalist or anything but I want people I care about to understand the risks associated to using online services that you don't really own.