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> It was even believed that newborn babies couldn’t feel pain in the same way as adults – meaning they were sometimes subjected to painful surgical procedures w

> It was even believed that newborn babies couldn’t feel pain in the same way as adults – meaning they were sometimes subjected to painful surgical procedures without analgesia. It wasn’t until the 1980s that medical professionals realised that the stress of the pain actually led to life-threatening shock and complications. This is just one part of many worrying parts of modern medicine from a few decades ago. If it wasn't for HIV, many surgeons would still be using their bare hands, sometimes cutting themselves but passing on infections, instead of using hypoallergenic latex gloves. Ironic that the likes of Freddie Mercury and other non heterosexual people have helped society become a little safer. In time, I expect to see COVID will have reduced the antibiotic resistance seen so commonly in hospitals, because of the routine deep cleaning regimes now employed and routine wearing of facemasks by all inside a hospital. We might also see the delays in cancer treatments highlighting the one's that work and the one's that dont work. Considering the stigma that existed a few decades ago and still remains in many parts of the world, regarding unplanned pregnancies or unmarried pregnancies, I wonder if the stress the mother experiences through gestation impacts the mental and physical health of the baby. In time I think these societal and religious pressures will be seen as negatives if the mother is outside of those conformist pressures, which will further weaken the conformist grip on society.

moonchrome 5y ago
>This is just one part of many worrying parts of modern medicine from a few decades ago. You could say exactly the same thing about any point in the past so what makes you think now is any different ?
- Terry_Roll 5y ago
  There is more science available, big data, ability to manufacture practically anything for not a lot of money, I love the fact I can hop online and read studies from a journal that published last week. Couldn't do that in the 90's. Increasingly seeing a reversal or abandonment of medical theories as new studies offer new insights and present new theories. So the trend up to WW1 was to use chemicals found in us to treat us, between WW1 and WW2, patented medicine started to appear and this is how big pharma developed. Problem is, in some cases, patented medicine is too alien to the human body, its not evolved enough and so it presents new challenges or problems, depending on your POV. I'm not saying its perfect today, but the explosion in knowledge over the last 30years has been close to exponential, roughly inline with the silicon chip.
A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
<< In time I think these societal and religious pressures will be seen as negatives if the mother is outside of those conformist pressures, which will further weaken the conformist grip on society. I don't see that happening. For example, circumcision has been normalized ( in US at least ) so there is not even a need for a real pressure. And this is just one of the more interesting examples of religious dogma pervading life of non-religious individuals.
- funstuff007 5y ago
  It does correlate with lower incidence of STI later in life.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
    Sure. Using the same logic we can say that FGM[1] reduces chances of cancer in the removed parts. It is genuinely odd argument to make that you get less chance of a disease in an organ when you remove an organ or part thereof. [1]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-47131052 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-47131052
    - DiffEq 5y ago
      I know two people that had to get circumcised when they were older because of issues of the foreskin restricting urinating. Both cursed their parents for not having circumcised them when they were babies.
      - chana_masala 5y ago
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
        I am responding in good faith. It is possible that there is a genetic component, but isn't prevalence of paraphimosis about 1%[1] for males over 16. Some would say circumcision for such a small gain is not the best trade-off. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459233/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459233/
AnonHP 5y ago
> In time, I expect to see COVID will have reduced the antibiotic resistance seen so commonly in hospitals, because of the routine deep cleaning regimes now employed and routine wearing of facemasks by all inside a hospital. I’m a bit confused. For the first part, do you mean “increased antibiotic resistance” (not decreased) with the increased deep cleaning, which cannot really be perfect in an environment that has so many illnesses around? Or are tou saying that the deep cleaning is so good that all germs are killed and thus there are no chances of mutations surviving and spreading?
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Antibiotics need to kill bacteria but leave human cells alive. Deep cleaning can kill everything. It's a lot easier for bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics than it is to deep cleaning.
  - doliveira 5y ago
    I read somewhere that bacteria evolving to resist deep cleaning would be akin to us evolving to resist bullets.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - Terry_Roll 5y ago
      Try surviving UV-C then, nastier than bullets!
bradleyjg 5y ago
> I wonder if the stress the mother experiences through gestation impacts the mental and physical health of the baby. There’s pretty good evidence for this already. E.g. https://www.child-encyclopedia.com/stress-and-pregnancy-prenatal-and-perinatal/according-experts/effects-prenatal-stress-child https://www.child-encyclopedia.com/stress-and-pregnancy-pren...
watwut 5y ago
> I expect to see COVID will have reduced the antibiotic resistance seen so commonly in hospitals, because of the routine deep cleaning regimes now employed and routine wearing of facemasks by all inside a hospital. Hospitals were deep cleaning even before covid? It is not like we would discovered contagious diseases with covid.

moonchrome 5y ago

>This is just one part of many worrying parts of modern medicine from a few decades ago. You could say exactly the same thing about any point in the past so what makes you think now is any different ?

Terry_Roll 5y ago
There is more science available, big data, ability to manufacture practically anything for not a lot of money, I love the fact I can hop online and read studies from a journal that published last week. Couldn't do that in the 90's. Increasingly seeing a reversal or abandonment of medical theories as new studies offer new insights and present new theories. So the trend up to WW1 was to use chemicals found in us to treat us, between WW1 and WW2, patented medicine started to appear and this is how big pharma developed. Problem is, in some cases, patented medicine is too alien to the human body, its not evolved enough and so it presents new challenges or problems, depending on your POV. I'm not saying its perfect today, but the explosion in knowledge over the last 30years has been close to exponential, roughly inline with the silicon chip.

A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago

<< In time I think these societal and religious pressures will be seen as negatives if the mother is outside of those conformist pressures, which will further weaken the conformist grip on society. I don't see that happening. For example, circumcision has been normalized ( in US at least ) so there is not even a need for a real pressure. And this is just one of the more interesting examples of religious dogma pervading life of non-religious individuals.

funstuff007 5y ago
It does correlate with lower incidence of STI later in life.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  Sure. Using the same logic we can say that FGM[1] reduces chances of cancer in the removed parts. It is genuinely odd argument to make that you get less chance of a disease in an organ when you remove an organ or part thereof. [1]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-47131052 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-47131052
  - DiffEq 5y ago
    I know two people that had to get circumcised when they were older because of issues of the foreskin restricting urinating. Both cursed their parents for not having circumcised them when they were babies.
    - chana_masala 5y ago
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
      I am responding in good faith. It is possible that there is a genetic component, but isn't prevalence of paraphimosis about 1%[1] for males over 16. Some would say circumcision for such a small gain is not the best trade-off. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459233/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459233/

AnonHP 5y ago

> In time, I expect to see COVID will have reduced the antibiotic resistance seen so commonly in hospitals, because of the routine deep cleaning regimes now employed and routine wearing of facemasks by all inside a hospital. I’m a bit confused. For the first part, do you mean “increased antibiotic resistance” (not decreased) with the increased deep cleaning, which cannot really be perfect in an environment that has so many illnesses around? Or are tou saying that the deep cleaning is so good that all germs are killed and thus there are no chances of mutations surviving and spreading?

josephcsible 5y ago
Antibiotics need to kill bacteria but leave human cells alive. Deep cleaning can kill everything. It's a lot easier for bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics than it is to deep cleaning.
- doliveira 5y ago
  I read somewhere that bacteria evolving to resist deep cleaning would be akin to us evolving to resist bullets.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - Terry_Roll 5y ago
    Try surviving UV-C then, nastier than bullets!

bradleyjg 5y ago

> I wonder if the stress the mother experiences through gestation impacts the mental and physical health of the baby. There’s pretty good evidence for this already. E.g. https://www.child-encyclopedia.com/stress-and-pregnancy-prenatal-and-perinatal/according-experts/effects-prenatal-stress-child https://www.child-encyclopedia.com/stress-and-pregnancy-pren...

watwut 5y ago

> I expect to see COVID will have reduced the antibiotic resistance seen so commonly in hospitals, because of the routine deep cleaning regimes now employed and routine wearing of facemasks by all inside a hospital. Hospitals were deep cleaning even before covid? It is not like we would discovered contagious diseases with covid.