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> > this is false. > Not exactly Yes, exactly. > Federal Law supercedes State Law Not on state issues. The federal government has to stay in its lane. > no

> > this is false. > Not exactly Yes, exactly. > Federal Law supercedes State Law Not on state issues. The federal government has to stay in its lane. > no State Constitution can contradict the US Constitution Yes, they can, unless explicitly overridden. For example, most states do not have grand juries, even though the U.S. Constitution requires one before charging someone with a felony.

rendall 5y ago
>>>> States are administrative districts >>> this is false >> Not exactly > Yes, exactly There's a legal definition of "administrative district" I was unaware of that necessarily excludes States? If so, this could be one of the most interesting conversations I've yet had on HN. If not, this is the silliest conversation I've yet had on HN.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  Agreed that it's silly. There's pretty much nothing sillier than when people who have never worked in the field try to pass themselves off as legal experts on the Internet. It's even more silly when those same people deliberately truncate statements. What you claimed was "States are administrative districts of a single sovereign nation" Argue whatever semantics you want about the definition of "administrative district." Sovereignty has a well-developed legal definition, and it emphatically applies to each of the fifty states. The Supreme Court has ruled on this issue countless times, from Chisholm v. Georgia (1793) ("I acknowledge, and shall always contend, that the States are sovereignties") to Gamble v. United States (2019) (reaffirming the dual sovereignty doctrine).
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  - rendall 5y ago
    You're arguing against the statement "The US is a single sovereign nation" States having sovereignty is a distracting non-sequitur. It's not relevant. The original comparison was States to EU members. If you want to argue they all have 'sovereignty', fine. They all have a thing called 'sovereignty'. But Italy doesn't care about Oregon's sovereignty. Italy doesn't deal with Oregon as a nation. Oregon can't declare war on Italy nor negotiate peace. Italy doesn't recognize Oregon's governor as a Head of State. For all intents and purposes, to Italy and the EU, Oregon is an administrative district not a "sovereignty". A Greek citizen cannot move to Sweden and vote in national elections as easily as a Texan can move to Massachusetts and vote in state elections. There are a lot of reasons for that which have zero to do with State "sovereignty".

rendall 5y ago

>>>> States are administrative districts >>> this is false >> Not exactly > Yes, exactly There's a legal definition of "administrative district" I was unaware of that necessarily excludes States? If so, this could be one of the most interesting conversations I've yet had on HN. If not, this is the silliest conversation I've yet had on HN.

torstenvl 5y ago
Agreed that it's silly. There's pretty much nothing sillier than when people who have never worked in the field try to pass themselves off as legal experts on the Internet. It's even more silly when those same people deliberately truncate statements. What you claimed was "States are administrative districts of a single sovereign nation" Argue whatever semantics you want about the definition of "administrative district." Sovereignty has a well-developed legal definition, and it emphatically applies to each of the fifty states. The Supreme Court has ruled on this issue countless times, from Chisholm v. Georgia (1793) ("I acknowledge, and shall always contend, that the States are sovereignties") to Gamble v. United States (2019) (reaffirming the dual sovereignty doctrine).
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- rendall 5y ago
  You're arguing against the statement "The US is a single sovereign nation" States having sovereignty is a distracting non-sequitur. It's not relevant. The original comparison was States to EU members. If you want to argue they all have 'sovereignty', fine. They all have a thing called 'sovereignty'. But Italy doesn't care about Oregon's sovereignty. Italy doesn't deal with Oregon as a nation. Oregon can't declare war on Italy nor negotiate peace. Italy doesn't recognize Oregon's governor as a Head of State. For all intents and purposes, to Italy and the EU, Oregon is an administrative district not a "sovereignty". A Greek citizen cannot move to Sweden and vote in national elections as easily as a Texan can move to Massachusetts and vote in state elections. There are a lot of reasons for that which have zero to do with State "sovereignty".