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Rose tinted glasses? Visual Basic (classic) that you mentioned, discontinued in 2008, was not free, unless you pirated it. > ‘just drawing things’ For that y

by 323 5y ago

Rose tinted glasses? Visual Basic (classic) that you mentioned, discontinued in 2008, was not free, unless you pirated it. > ‘just drawing things’ For that you have much more amazing things today, like Shadertoy, or various artistic programming languages like Processing, ... Programming is easier than ever, computers are extremely cheap, software is free, documentation on the internet is free, YouTube is full of tutorials, there are literally no obstacles if you want to do it. Back in my day I had to pay for computers, for programming software, for books, Internet cost a fortune, ...

boondaburrah 5y ago
I believe there were some visual basic books you could get that would have a CD-ROM with a limited version in the back, but I may not be remembering correctly. Of course, you could also check those books out of the library and online activation wasn't really a thing then, so that's how I remember starting.
layer8 5y ago
However, today there is no VB-like experience for modern development regardless how much you’d be willing to pay for it.
- 323 5y ago
  Delphi still exists: > Build Native Apps 5x Faster With One Codebase. For Windows, Android, iOS, macOS, and Linux https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi And it's free if you don't make a lot of money of what you build.
  - gavinray 5y ago
    And if you don't need/want to compile to x64 bit Delphi Community Edition only allows x32 compilation I downloaded it to try. It's not a huge limitation for most usecases I would imagine.
    - Nextgrid 5y ago
      Do they make an exception for Mac, considering recent macOS no longer supports 32-bit binaries?
- Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
  I remember Delphi being pretty close back in the day, and it's still around[0] if you're willing to pay for it. Lazarus[1] is another option. Apart from the underlying language, the experience is pretty close. [0] https://www.embarcadero.com/ https://www.embarcadero.com/ [1] https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ https://www.lazarus-ide.org/
- rahen 5y ago
  Have you tried Lazarus? https://www.lazarus-ide.org https://www.lazarus-ide.org
denton-scratch 5y ago
> Programming is easier than ever Really, it's not. This trade has got much, much harder since I started. The languages are harder, because the targets are both more complicated and more various. Computers were mainly used to do sums (I worked on accounting systems written in COBOL). I mean, it's easier if you take into account the complexity and richness of the modern computing environment, USB, PCI, caches, what have you. You are producing more powerful programs. But the onboarding ramp for modern programming is steep.

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boondaburrah 5y ago

I believe there were some visual basic books you could get that would have a CD-ROM with a limited version in the back, but I may not be remembering correctly. Of course, you could also check those books out of the library and online activation wasn't really a thing then, so that's how I remember starting.

layer8 5y ago

However, today there is no VB-like experience for modern development regardless how much you’d be willing to pay for it.

323 5y ago
Delphi still exists: > Build Native Apps 5x Faster With One Codebase. For Windows, Android, iOS, macOS, and Linux https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi And it's free if you don't make a lot of money of what you build.
- gavinray 5y ago
  And if you don't need/want to compile to x64 bit Delphi Community Edition only allows x32 compilation I downloaded it to try. It's not a huge limitation for most usecases I would imagine.
  - Nextgrid 5y ago
    Do they make an exception for Mac, considering recent macOS no longer supports 32-bit binaries?
Mister_Snuggles 5y ago
I remember Delphi being pretty close back in the day, and it's still around[0] if you're willing to pay for it. Lazarus[1] is another option. Apart from the underlying language, the experience is pretty close. [0] https://www.embarcadero.com/ https://www.embarcadero.com/ [1] https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ https://www.lazarus-ide.org/
rahen 5y ago
Have you tried Lazarus? https://www.lazarus-ide.org https://www.lazarus-ide.org

denton-scratch 5y ago

> Programming is easier than ever Really, it's not. This trade has got much, much harder since I started. The languages are harder, because the targets are both more complicated and more various. Computers were mainly used to do sums (I worked on accounting systems written in COBOL). I mean, it's easier if you take into account the complexity and richness of the modern computing environment, USB, PCI, caches, what have you. You are producing more powerful programs. But the onboarding ramp for modern programming is steep.