29 ms·
citation pls? ETA: This? Averaged over 30 years, the trend is for an annual 7 percent reduction in the dollars per watt of solar photovoltaic cells. While i
by mnemonicsloth 15y ago
citation pls?
ETA:
This?
Averaged over 30 years, the trend is for an annual 7 percent reduction in the dollars per watt of solar photovoltaic cells. While in the earlier part of this decade prices flattened for a few years, the sharp decline in 2009 made up for that and put the price reduction back on track. Data from 2010 (not included above) shows at least a 30 percent further price reduction, putting solar prices ahead of this trend.
An average of seven percent per year for 30 years, then a breakthrough year in 2009 (which is well-documented). Then the author -- whose resume includes Microsoft, a company doing "nanotechnology research," and writing some books about transhumanism -- claims another good year in 2010, and you claim a third in 2011.
In other words, the author wants to extrapolate an exponential trend 10 or 20 years into the future based on (at best) 3 data points, while ignoring another trend that's been operating ten times longer.
And he could be right. Technologies do change growth regimes sometimes. But you don't make that argument by talking about the magic of exponential growth. You make it by talking about why all the rules are changing now.
Instead, he says "manufacturers are learning how to reduce the cost to fabricate solar." He doesn't say how, or how long they can keep it up. Then he throws out a paragraph about increasing efficiency ("in the lab," which could mean anything). Then he goes back to electricity prices in 2030.
Obviously, I hope he's right. But that article doesn't do much to refute my claim that solar power is over-hyped by people people who seem to think hype is OK for a good cause.
- Confusion 15y ago"Uh, no" is not a start that puts the receiver in a mood to respond constructively. If he's caught unawares, is in a bad mood or just plain tired, you will reap what you've sown. If you want to be sure you receive constructive responses, you have give constructive responses.
- oelewapperke 15y agoWell you at least have really proven the initial point : rational thinking and solar power ... don't mix very well. Where can I buy these $1/Watt solar panels ? (btw : since actual output is ~ 40% of theoretical capacity, $1/Watt is about 15 years out at 7% per year. While buying coal-produced power at an actual price of $1/Watt is available to everyone today. And I don't have to have some magical energy storage system that doesn't leak anything over 20 years (the $1 claimed, of course, doesn't include the batteries required to actually use the system, which can double the cost yet again)). And one wonders why solar panels don't advertise cost on an equal footing : in cost/KwH available capacity 24/7. We all know why, of course : they'd easily be 10 times as expensive as coal.