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> the telescope is aimed at the dark and away from the sun To be more specific; It's "parked" in an orbit [0] that constantly puts Earth between the sun and Ja

> the telescope is aimed at the dark and away from the sun To be more specific; It's "parked" in an orbit [0] that constantly puts Earth between the sun and James Webb. So it's not only aimed away from the sun, Earth is also acting as a planetary scale sunscreen for it. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_point

willis936 5y ago
Actually JWST orbits around L2 at appreciable altitude. The unique aspect of the orbit is that it is never in the shadow of the Earth or moon. It guarantees consistent solar power and thermal load. https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-characteristics/jwst-orbit https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-characteristics...
- tomr_stargazer 5y ago
  Wow. I’m an astronomer and somehow I never learned this! Thank you for the link! Of course a solar powered satellite can’t be parked in the shade. Can’t believe I never thought about that.
  - baq 5y ago
    It can, it has batteries, but you don’t want to mess with thermals on that thing.
  - JohnBooty 5y ago
    My first thought is, "Why didn't they eschew solar power entirely and 'simply' park it in the shade?" Surely they considered that, and the wins would have been massive -- no sunshields needed. So I'm sure the downsides must have been massive as well. Not enough plutonium fuel, or perhaps it just wouldn't provide enough power over the life of the mission. And of course the radioactive fuel would generate its own heat as well. Now I need to find out more about that decision.... edit: Another commenter mentioned, "The earth's shadow never reaches L2 anyhow - it's only penumbra at that distance since the angular size of the earth is smaller then the angular size of the Sun." If that's correct, then there was never truly an option of "parking it in the shade" anyway.
    - willis936 5y ago
      The dark side of the Earth is very bright in IR. Getting far away from the Earth and moon makes them dimmer. Also, going for L2 makes sure the Earth, moon, and Sun are all always in the same direction, so the sun shield will block all significant IR sources.
- russellbeattie 5y ago
  That explains the animation! I just thought NASA was just adding some more realism into the orbit animation by adding what looked like a wobble. Derp.
- cycomanic 5y ago
  One of the fascinating bits is how much engineering has gone into keeping the detectors cold. Because JWST is (primarily?) taking images in the mid-IR region, it is crucially important to keep the detectors cool otherwise you'd just be swamped in background noise. Keeping things cold in space is despite it being a cold place actually extremely difficult, because you can't use convective cooling. If something sits in the sun "all-day" it gets warm, so the whole reason for the sunshield is to keep the instruments cool. On top of that they are using active cooling for the (IIRC) first time on a satellite. I saw a presentation from one of the engineers two years ago and it's absolutely fascinating stuff.
- moffkalast 5y ago
  Given that this does not really give the orbit any real significance in terms of being shaded by the Earth from the Sun, is there another reason it's there? I guess it gives you a very stable position for observations, but why not just put it in solar orbit then? Then again this is kind of a solar orbit that happens to stay close to the Earth at all times so that's a plus for comms.
  - willis936 5y ago
    That's exactly what L2 is. Otherwise the orbits of JWST and Earth would have different periods. It's handy to be able to have constant high speed communications and not need large antennas with blackouts. It also is handy to keep the closest IR sources (Earth and moon) in the same direction as the sun at all times so there is never a point where you have a significant IR source above the sun shield.
    - moffkalast 5y ago
      Ah yes I hadn't considered the IR sources aspect, that makes a lot of sense.
jon_richards 5y ago
It’s orbiting around L2. I’m not sure if it’s actually in the shadow of earth. Keep in mind that it’s still powered by a solar array.
mturmon 5y ago
JW does indeed circle that Lagrange point, but it is definitely not in Earth’s shadow. The JW orbit semi major axis (about the L2 point) is order of 500,000 km. The radius of Earth is about 6500 km. Thus, the shadow of the Earth is extremely small compared with the excursions of JW.
- ddalex 5y ago
  The earth's shadow never reaches L2 anyhow - it's only penumbra at that distance since the angular size of the earth is smaller then the angular size of the Sun
  - mturmon 5y ago
    Good point. JW is at about 1.01 AU, and the solar radius is a bit over 100x the Earth radius, so there’s not really even a “shadow”.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Besides the sun being so stupendously large that the L2 point isn't in the direct shade cone anymore. At the orbit it is in full sunshine as though the Earth isn't there.

willis936 5y ago

Actually JWST orbits around L2 at appreciable altitude. The unique aspect of the orbit is that it is never in the shadow of the Earth or moon. It guarantees consistent solar power and thermal load. https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-characteristics/jwst-orbit https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-observatory-characteristics...

tomr_stargazer 5y ago
Wow. I’m an astronomer and somehow I never learned this! Thank you for the link! Of course a solar powered satellite can’t be parked in the shade. Can’t believe I never thought about that.
- baq 5y ago
  It can, it has batteries, but you don’t want to mess with thermals on that thing.
- JohnBooty 5y ago
  My first thought is, "Why didn't they eschew solar power entirely and 'simply' park it in the shade?" Surely they considered that, and the wins would have been massive -- no sunshields needed. So I'm sure the downsides must have been massive as well. Not enough plutonium fuel, or perhaps it just wouldn't provide enough power over the life of the mission. And of course the radioactive fuel would generate its own heat as well. Now I need to find out more about that decision.... edit: Another commenter mentioned, "The earth's shadow never reaches L2 anyhow - it's only penumbra at that distance since the angular size of the earth is smaller then the angular size of the Sun." If that's correct, then there was never truly an option of "parking it in the shade" anyway.
  - willis936 5y ago
    The dark side of the Earth is very bright in IR. Getting far away from the Earth and moon makes them dimmer. Also, going for L2 makes sure the Earth, moon, and Sun are all always in the same direction, so the sun shield will block all significant IR sources.
russellbeattie 5y ago
That explains the animation! I just thought NASA was just adding some more realism into the orbit animation by adding what looked like a wobble. Derp.
cycomanic 5y ago
One of the fascinating bits is how much engineering has gone into keeping the detectors cold. Because JWST is (primarily?) taking images in the mid-IR region, it is crucially important to keep the detectors cool otherwise you'd just be swamped in background noise. Keeping things cold in space is despite it being a cold place actually extremely difficult, because you can't use convective cooling. If something sits in the sun "all-day" it gets warm, so the whole reason for the sunshield is to keep the instruments cool. On top of that they are using active cooling for the (IIRC) first time on a satellite. I saw a presentation from one of the engineers two years ago and it's absolutely fascinating stuff.
moffkalast 5y ago
Given that this does not really give the orbit any real significance in terms of being shaded by the Earth from the Sun, is there another reason it's there? I guess it gives you a very stable position for observations, but why not just put it in solar orbit then? Then again this is kind of a solar orbit that happens to stay close to the Earth at all times so that's a plus for comms.
- willis936 5y ago
  That's exactly what L2 is. Otherwise the orbits of JWST and Earth would have different periods. It's handy to be able to have constant high speed communications and not need large antennas with blackouts. It also is handy to keep the closest IR sources (Earth and moon) in the same direction as the sun at all times so there is never a point where you have a significant IR source above the sun shield.
  - moffkalast 5y ago
    Ah yes I hadn't considered the IR sources aspect, that makes a lot of sense.

jon_richards 5y ago

It’s orbiting around L2. I’m not sure if it’s actually in the shadow of earth. Keep in mind that it’s still powered by a solar array.

mturmon 5y ago

JW does indeed circle that Lagrange point, but it is definitely not in Earth’s shadow. The JW orbit semi major axis (about the L2 point) is order of 500,000 km. The radius of Earth is about 6500 km. Thus, the shadow of the Earth is extremely small compared with the excursions of JW.

ddalex 5y ago
The earth's shadow never reaches L2 anyhow - it's only penumbra at that distance since the angular size of the earth is smaller then the angular size of the Sun
- mturmon 5y ago
  Good point. JW is at about 1.01 AU, and the solar radius is a bit over 100x the Earth radius, so there’s not really even a “shadow”.
jacquesm 5y ago
Besides the sun being so stupendously large that the L2 point isn't in the direct shade cone anymore. At the orbit it is in full sunshine as though the Earth isn't there.