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> OUR ENEMIES WILL BE THERE > Proprietary software companies are evil, and must be opposed. They know that if this bill passes, their days are numbered. Doesn

by radley 5y ago

> OUR ENEMIES WILL BE THERE > Proprietary software companies are evil, and must be opposed. They know that if this bill passes, their days are numbered. Doesn't seem to be very objective.

Barrin92 5y ago
yep in particular because the article starts with an explicit statement about addressing a non-technical audience. Pro-tip, if you do that, don't try to sound like you're on a crusade. >Now imagine that countries besides the US start doing it, inspired by the US’s success (and I think it will be a resounding success). and on this point, I had personal experience with a project like this when Munich switched to open source software, which made quite a bit of noise, but in the end it was kind of a failure. And people still argue about the politics of it, but from talking to a lot of city workers personally there were just a lot of interoperability issues, bugs, and people didn't know how to use new software. The success of these projects will come down to the most mundane thing imaginable, whether a lot of white collar workers can get their job done, not some Dune style jihad.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  "starts with an explicit statement about addressing a non-technical audience. Pro-tip, if you do that, don't try to sound like you're on a crusade" But when speaking to a technical audience the crusade style language is allright? I would disagree, except if it is not meant too serious.
  - Barrin92 5y ago
    when you're speaking to an in-group who is familiar with the sort of personalities and attitudes and culture you get the context and the quirks and everyone moves past it so yes it doesn't really matter, if you know the sotware/hacker culture, you take weird attitudes with humor by default because people have always been a little bit odd. When you communicate to an outside group it's a different thing however. by the way the fact that this nuance of being able to speak differently in different social circles is increasingly lost and replaced with PR department speak everywhere is pretty bad.
    - gjs278 5y ago
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
> Imagine a world where you’re no longer being spied on because NSA, Apple and Microsoft no longer have backdoor access to your computer. I'm in NH so this actually affects me but this language is a bit much.
- wrycoder 5y ago
  Are you sure it's a false statement?
  - vkou 5y ago
    I'm pretty sure that not requiring proprietary software to access public interfaces when dealing with my government is not going stop the five eyes to stop spying on me. That's because my life does not solely revolve around my interactions with government. I am constantly required to use interfaces provided by private organizations, which can have whatever insane requirements that they wish. Also, I have better things to do with my life then spend half of it excising non-FOSS software from all of my devices and appliances. If the Mossad can listen to me through my toaster prior to passage of this law, I'm afraid that they will still be able to listen to me after it. I suppose I could throw my toaster out and buy a non-Mossad-backdoored one, but how am I to be confident that the new one wasn't backdoored by Bangladesh or Pyongyang?
- bruce511 5y ago
  You can already choose to not be spied on by apple or ms. So this law changes nothing there. You will continue to be spied on by the NSA either way so the law changes nothing there. What the FSF is really saying here is that they wish to remove the choice you currently have to be spied on or not.
gerdesj 5y ago
The blog post is a bit ... excitable. However, why not comment on the Bill itself: https://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/legacy/bs2016/billText.aspx?sy=2022&id=1363&txtFormat=html https://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/legacy/bs2016/billT...
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matheusmoreira 5y ago
They're not wrong.

by radley 5y ago

> OUR ENEMIES WILL BE THERE > Proprietary software companies are evil, and must be opposed. They know that if this bill passes, their days are numbered. Doesn't seem to be very objective.

Barrin92 5y ago

yep in particular because the article starts with an explicit statement about addressing a non-technical audience. Pro-tip, if you do that, don't try to sound like you're on a crusade. >Now imagine that countries besides the US start doing it, inspired by the US’s success (and I think it will be a resounding success). and on this point, I had personal experience with a project like this when Munich switched to open source software, which made quite a bit of noise, but in the end it was kind of a failure. And people still argue about the politics of it, but from talking to a lot of city workers personally there were just a lot of interoperability issues, bugs, and people didn't know how to use new software. The success of these projects will come down to the most mundane thing imaginable, whether a lot of white collar workers can get their job done, not some Dune style jihad.

hutzlibu 5y ago
"starts with an explicit statement about addressing a non-technical audience. Pro-tip, if you do that, don't try to sound like you're on a crusade" But when speaking to a technical audience the crusade style language is allright? I would disagree, except if it is not meant too serious.
- Barrin92 5y ago
  when you're speaking to an in-group who is familiar with the sort of personalities and attitudes and culture you get the context and the quirks and everyone moves past it so yes it doesn't really matter, if you know the sotware/hacker culture, you take weird attitudes with humor by default because people have always been a little bit odd. When you communicate to an outside group it's a different thing however. by the way the fact that this nuance of being able to speak differently in different social circles is increasingly lost and replaced with PR department speak everywhere is pretty bad.
  - gjs278 5y ago

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

> Imagine a world where you’re no longer being spied on because NSA, Apple and Microsoft no longer have backdoor access to your computer. I'm in NH so this actually affects me but this language is a bit much.

wrycoder 5y ago
Are you sure it's a false statement?
- vkou 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure that not requiring proprietary software to access public interfaces when dealing with my government is not going stop the five eyes to stop spying on me. That's because my life does not solely revolve around my interactions with government. I am constantly required to use interfaces provided by private organizations, which can have whatever insane requirements that they wish. Also, I have better things to do with my life then spend half of it excising non-FOSS software from all of my devices and appliances. If the Mossad can listen to me through my toaster prior to passage of this law, I'm afraid that they will still be able to listen to me after it. I suppose I could throw my toaster out and buy a non-Mossad-backdoored one, but how am I to be confident that the new one wasn't backdoored by Bangladesh or Pyongyang?
bruce511 5y ago
You can already choose to not be spied on by apple or ms. So this law changes nothing there. You will continue to be spied on by the NSA either way so the law changes nothing there. What the FSF is really saying here is that they wish to remove the choice you currently have to be spied on or not.

gerdesj 5y ago

The blog post is a bit ... excitable. However, why not comment on the Bill itself: https://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/legacy/bs2016/billText.aspx?sy=2022&id=1363&txtFormat=html https://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/legacy/bs2016/billT...

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matheusmoreira 5y ago

They're not wrong.