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I mean, I agree with problem while vehemently disagreeing with proposed cause. It somehow puts blame on "others" for interoperability, whereas my personal perce

I mean, I agree with problem while vehemently disagreeing with proposed cause. It somehow puts blame on "others" for interoperability, whereas my personal perception is that Apple said "&@#& screw interoperability - we will make sure things work right in our own ecosystem only, through closed proprietary systems, and who cares about anybody not using our hardware". Live photos not working on other phones is not THEIR fault for goodness sake. It's a proprietary iPhone gimmick Apple have spent zero effort in trying to work anywhere else. Same for portrait photo etc. Apple is intentionally building a walled garden of proprietary stuff that purposefully doesn't work outside. From charger to text to photos to everything else, they see their future in blazing their own path as opposed to compatibility. I too am frustrated in my iPhone photos being a pain anywhere outside, but seeing as my android Nikon canon windows Linux google adobe Microsoft etc systems all seem to talk happily with each other, I know exactly where to scream in rage at. - Sent from my iPhone, fwiw Edit: not that you're alone mind you. Apple's marketing machine and prestige identity works brilliantly - Most iPhone users I know feel that's everybody else's fault, which only makes the brand loyalty firmer - it's a perpetually self enforcing perception.

jiggawatts 5y ago
There was a great article on here yesterday that hits the nail on the head: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29845208 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29845208 Distributed standards inherently become ossified and are unable to innovate. The path of least resistance is to centralise and gain control, which allows fast iteration and innovation. Fundamentally, as a user I don't care about Google's or Microsoft's excuses. They're some of the biggest companies in the world. They've largely centralised their systems (G Suite, Office 365, Teams, etc...), yet have failed to capitalise on this centralisation, unlike Apple. I mean, we're talking about a trivial thing here: sending pictures! Yet only Apple gets this even remotely "right". Every other company is perfectly content with sending potato quality images, randomly mangling colours, etc... I just installed Windows 11 on a brand-new, high-end laptop with an OLED HDR screen. It's a shit-show. - HDR is off by default. I paid thousands for this feature, but let's just keep that disabled... for reasons? - HEVC is unavailable by default, so apps like NetFlix silently downgrade to 1080p & SDR. - HEIF support is available, but also off by default. - The Dolby Vision Extension is available, but cannot be found via the App Store search(!). You have to find an external link to it, and use that to navigate to the hidden storage page to download it. - Windows 10 used to have 10-bit SDR with wide gamut support. That has been removed. You can only have a colour-managed desktop by default in HDR mode. - HDR mode is forcibly disabled if you're running on battery. So you unplug your laptop and the colours shift. I could go on and on. And on. And on. You can't blame "standards" for this. Microsoft and Google are just too lazy to do things right, to have things "just work". With Apple, I can send another person a Dolby Vision 4K 60fps HDR video in a text message and it will work. With a much more powerful Windows 10 computer I can't. It won't play, and even if it does, it'll probably stutter like mad because an 8-core 5 GHz laptop struggles with something my phone can handle smoothly.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  > Distributed standards inherently become ossified and are unable to innovate. I don't think it's as simple as that. When websites were proudly stating that they were "best viewed in Internet Explorer", there was very little innovation in the web platform, but then when Mozilla/Firefox and Chrome became popular, distributed innovation improved. Things are a little more complicated now that Chrome has a dominant market share, but I'd argue that it is actually Safari (and Apple's monopoly control over it on the iPhone) that is most holding back the web now.
- NikolaNovak 5y ago
  Fair enough; in retrospective, I've focused on "Interoperability" part of your last sentence, where I find Apple to be more-or-less awful. I cannot much contribute to the quality aspect in the context you speak of, so I'll take your word - of the many kinds of geeks I've been in the past, I've purposefully never been an Audio/Video geek, because I feel that way madness lies (for me) - for the type of reasons you outline and many many more :)

jiggawatts 5y ago

There was a great article on here yesterday that hits the nail on the head: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29845208 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29845208 Distributed standards inherently become ossified and are unable to innovate. The path of least resistance is to centralise and gain control, which allows fast iteration and innovation. Fundamentally, as a user I don't care about Google's or Microsoft's excuses. They're some of the biggest companies in the world. They've largely centralised their systems (G Suite, Office 365, Teams, etc...), yet have failed to capitalise on this centralisation, unlike Apple. I mean, we're talking about a trivial thing here: sending pictures! Yet only Apple gets this even remotely "right". Every other company is perfectly content with sending potato quality images, randomly mangling colours, etc... I just installed Windows 11 on a brand-new, high-end laptop with an OLED HDR screen. It's a shit-show. - HDR is off by default. I paid thousands for this feature, but let's just keep that disabled... for reasons? - HEVC is unavailable by default, so apps like NetFlix silently downgrade to 1080p & SDR. - HEIF support is available, but also off by default. - The Dolby Vision Extension is available, but cannot be found via the App Store search(!). You have to find an external link to it, and use that to navigate to the hidden storage page to download it. - Windows 10 used to have 10-bit SDR with wide gamut support. That has been removed. You can only have a colour-managed desktop by default in HDR mode. - HDR mode is forcibly disabled if you're running on battery. So you unplug your laptop and the colours shift. I could go on and on. And on. And on. You can't blame "standards" for this. Microsoft and Google are just too lazy to do things right, to have things "just work". With Apple, I can send another person a Dolby Vision 4K 60fps HDR video in a text message and it will work. With a much more powerful Windows 10 computer I can't. It won't play, and even if it does, it'll probably stutter like mad because an 8-core 5 GHz laptop struggles with something my phone can handle smoothly.

dane-pgp 5y ago
> Distributed standards inherently become ossified and are unable to innovate. I don't think it's as simple as that. When websites were proudly stating that they were "best viewed in Internet Explorer", there was very little innovation in the web platform, but then when Mozilla/Firefox and Chrome became popular, distributed innovation improved. Things are a little more complicated now that Chrome has a dominant market share, but I'd argue that it is actually Safari (and Apple's monopoly control over it on the iPhone) that is most holding back the web now.
NikolaNovak 5y ago
Fair enough; in retrospective, I've focused on "Interoperability" part of your last sentence, where I find Apple to be more-or-less awful. I cannot much contribute to the quality aspect in the context you speak of, so I'll take your word - of the many kinds of geeks I've been in the past, I've purposefully never been an Audio/Video geek, because I feel that way madness lies (for me) - for the type of reasons you outline and many many more :)