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Delivery confirmation has got to be #1, right? There's no feedback from SMS. Messages get lost or sent multiple times as dups. All without having to install an

Delivery confirmation has got to be #1, right? There's no feedback from SMS. Messages get lost or sent multiple times as dups. All without having to install an app or use a Meta or Google property. Edit: Creepy read receipts can be turned off too (I think they're even disabled by default?) Delivery confirmation is one thing but almost nobody likes forced read receipts—they makes text messaging icky like a phone call, because once you pick up you either respond immediately or the other party knows you "left them on read."

lotsofpulp 5y ago
I assume everyone has read a message if it has been a few hours after it has been sent, or definitely within 24 hours, whether they deny having read it or not. Whether or not it was delivered is the key information. The percent of people not constantly checking their phone has got to be so vanishingly small.
- ericbarrett 5y ago
  Teens may be in class, out somewhere, or (increasingly) have it locked down by parents during certain times. And they may only get short chances to sneak a look. Knowing your message got sent (or didn't) lets you mentally set it aside regardless of the other party's status. And if you do sneak a look it doesn't snitch to the other party, like FB Messenger.
- Talanes 5y ago
  > The percent of people not constantly checking their phone has got to be so vanishingly small. Sample size of 1, but the amount of time I go without checking my phone has only grown over time.
blibble 5y ago
sms has delivery confirmation built-in on android it's an option in the settings works on vodafone, EE and three in the UK (not O2)
- ericbarrett 5y ago
  That's got to be pretty recent and only in certain markets though. I've yet to see a read receipt from SMS (U.S.).
  - hadrien01 5y ago
    No, it existed before the iPhone. It was actually weird to not have it on the iPhone, and I remember they were jailbreak tweaks to bring back the feature on the iPhone 3G.
    - ericbarrett 5y ago
      TIL, guess I never had a phone that supported them. Do you know which platforms did?
      - hadrien01 5y ago
        I don't know exactly, sorry. My Windows Phone had it. BlackBerry also had the feature, but people used BBM at the time anyway.
      - blibble 5y ago
        the first mobile phone I ever owned (nokia 3310) supported it! from the manual: > Delivery reports > You can request the network to send delivery reports on your text messages (network service).
  - Macha 5y ago
    I remember explicitly disabling acknowledging read reciepts on a sony ericsson in the mid-2000s because a friend of mine had discovered how to ask for them on their similar dumbphone and made dumb assumptions about how long until someone should reply.
  - wott 5y ago
    > That's got to be pretty recent Yes: only 20 years or so ;-)

lotsofpulp 5y ago

I assume everyone has read a message if it has been a few hours after it has been sent, or definitely within 24 hours, whether they deny having read it or not. Whether or not it was delivered is the key information. The percent of people not constantly checking their phone has got to be so vanishingly small.

ericbarrett 5y ago
Teens may be in class, out somewhere, or (increasingly) have it locked down by parents during certain times. And they may only get short chances to sneak a look. Knowing your message got sent (or didn't) lets you mentally set it aside regardless of the other party's status. And if you do sneak a look it doesn't snitch to the other party, like FB Messenger.
Talanes 5y ago
> The percent of people not constantly checking their phone has got to be so vanishingly small. Sample size of 1, but the amount of time I go without checking my phone has only grown over time.

blibble 5y ago

sms has delivery confirmation built-in on android it's an option in the settings works on vodafone, EE and three in the UK (not O2)

ericbarrett 5y ago
That's got to be pretty recent and only in certain markets though. I've yet to see a read receipt from SMS (U.S.).
- hadrien01 5y ago
  No, it existed before the iPhone. It was actually weird to not have it on the iPhone, and I remember they were jailbreak tweaks to bring back the feature on the iPhone 3G.
  - ericbarrett 5y ago
    TIL, guess I never had a phone that supported them. Do you know which platforms did?
    - hadrien01 5y ago
      I don't know exactly, sorry. My Windows Phone had it. BlackBerry also had the feature, but people used BBM at the time anyway.
    - blibble 5y ago
      the first mobile phone I ever owned (nokia 3310) supported it! from the manual: > Delivery reports > You can request the network to send delivery reports on your text messages (network service).
- Macha 5y ago
  I remember explicitly disabling acknowledging read reciepts on a sony ericsson in the mid-2000s because a friend of mine had discovered how to ask for them on their similar dumbphone and made dumb assumptions about how long until someone should reply.
- wott 5y ago
  > That's got to be pretty recent Yes: only 20 years or so ;-)