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I use archlinux as a daily driver, but it breaks far more randomly than gentoo ever did for me. Archlinux's bugzilla is full of random breakages that happen at

I use archlinux as a daily driver, but it breaks far more randomly than gentoo ever did for me. Archlinux's bugzilla is full of random breakages that happen at random system updates. Here's a random python bug that been happening, cost me a couple of hours to debug and for now I don't update python until they get around fixing it[1]. The fix? Download an older python version(not too old since that would break everything else) from the arch package archive. I don't want to hear anything about stable or production systems or debugging from arch maintainers. Every so often I forget the journalctl and coredumpctl command line flags and have to google how to do basic tasks. [1] https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73002 https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/73002 EDIT: and before someone asks me why i'm using it, it's because i lke tinkering and for the most part i can deal with these "outages" on my laptop.

zozbot234 5y ago
Arch is not appropriate for production use. LTS distros (two years of stability or more) exist for a reason.
ReactiveJelly 5y ago
The official Arch stance seems to be "You should have read the blog before updating", and I enforce that by updating maybe 3 times a year at most. I think I'm just used to the installer. I like doing everything by CLI. Ubuntu is always trying to push something odd like Snap, and I think Xubuntu is defunct. The Ubuntu installers are very opinionated on what kind of desktop they want you to have. One of these days I'll just buy all the ThinkPenguin stuff and go to FOSS-only Debian with xfce. Debian has a great installer, too. Then I'll turn my desktops into cattle-style systems where I blow up the rootfs once a year for full system updates.
- rjzzleep 5y ago
  Did you check the linked bug and its suggested workaround? It's nothing an update note would address. It's just random breakage. There are a lot of these issues scattered across their bugzilla.
- mrtweetyhack 5y ago
- yonrg 5y ago
  Arch user here since 2013 on my mobile systems. I do -Suy nearly every day, which causes me nearly null troubles. My experiences with any supported enterprise distro are much worse.
- Krssst 5y ago
  > I blow up the rootfs once a year for full system updates. My experience with Debian system updates have been pretty good; I don't think I have ever blown up my system through them. (when running stable)
- bombcar 5y ago
  Gentoo has a surprisingly resilient way of getting that info to you directly on the command line. eselect news read
Sebb767 5y ago
> Download an older python version(not too old since that would break everything else) from the arch package archive. Unless you explicitly disabled it, you should have old packages archived in `/var/cache/pacman/pkg`. So you can simply downgrade via `pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/python-x.y.z`; no need to go to an (possibly untrusted) archive.

zozbot234 5y ago

Arch is not appropriate for production use. LTS distros (two years of stability or more) exist for a reason.

ReactiveJelly 5y ago

The official Arch stance seems to be "You should have read the blog before updating", and I enforce that by updating maybe 3 times a year at most. I think I'm just used to the installer. I like doing everything by CLI. Ubuntu is always trying to push something odd like Snap, and I think Xubuntu is defunct. The Ubuntu installers are very opinionated on what kind of desktop they want you to have. One of these days I'll just buy all the ThinkPenguin stuff and go to FOSS-only Debian with xfce. Debian has a great installer, too. Then I'll turn my desktops into cattle-style systems where I blow up the rootfs once a year for full system updates.

rjzzleep 5y ago
Did you check the linked bug and its suggested workaround? It's nothing an update note would address. It's just random breakage. There are a lot of these issues scattered across their bugzilla.
mrtweetyhack 5y ago
yonrg 5y ago
Arch user here since 2013 on my mobile systems. I do -Suy nearly every day, which causes me nearly null troubles. My experiences with any supported enterprise distro are much worse.
Krssst 5y ago
> I blow up the rootfs once a year for full system updates. My experience with Debian system updates have been pretty good; I don't think I have ever blown up my system through them. (when running stable)
bombcar 5y ago
Gentoo has a surprisingly resilient way of getting that info to you directly on the command line. eselect news read

Sebb767 5y ago

> Download an older python version(not too old since that would break everything else) from the arch package archive. Unless you explicitly disabled it, you should have old packages archived in `/var/cache/pacman/pkg`. So you can simply downgrade via `pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/python-x.y.z`; no need to go to an (possibly untrusted) archive.