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> PSA do not opt to login with your apple ID, it's an option when setting up the computer, you should never ever accept it. It makes me sad that we now have to

> PSA do not opt to login with your apple ID, it's an option when setting up the computer, you should never ever accept it. It makes me sad that we now have to treat a MacOS initial setup as a hostile experience, the same way as setting up Windows 10 for an offline user account and intentionally not creating a microsoft account. The number of steps and dark pattern UI things a Windows 10 Home or Pro user has to jump through in the initial install to create a local-only account is really quite amazing. I just did a fresh install of a win10 home VM recently and ran into this. Two of the reasons I switched from a FreeBSD desktop environment to MacOS back in the 10.4 days (Tiger?) was because of the switch to the Intel CPUs with the first gen Macbook Pro, and that MacOS had become a fairly refined, polished desktop environment with a CLI, macports, and a decent selection of applications. Not only is apple now hostile but it's actively dangerous and harmful to its users' data, as shown in the example linked in this post, because if you go with the "online" apple account you risk getting locked out of everything you were using on a regular day-to-day basis. Now if we have to think of Apple as a hostile entity that is doing the same shit as microsoft, it makes me very disappointed.

simonh 5y ago
You can relax, the option to log in with your iCloud account was removed from Sierra onwards.
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laurent123456 5y ago
Any company at that size should be thought as a hostile entity - if anything bad happens you're just a drop in the ocean and the company couldn't care less about your issues. Everything should be done in such a way that there's an exit door if things go wrong (Of course that's unfortunately not always possible - eg if you're banned from any app store, that's it for you).
- schappim 5y ago
  Apple is literally the only tech company I can walk into a store and most of the time get a problem fixed. I can’t say that for any other piece of tech I own.
  - walrus01 5y ago
    with the caveat that if the embedded on motherboard security chip/crypto key repository inside your apple device has decided to lock/freeze/brick your phone, laptop or tablet, it's basically become a hunk of garbage.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  > if anything bad happens you're just a drop in the ocean and the company couldn't care less about your issues This is certainly true for companies like Google that very famously refuse to provide customer support. However, companies like Amazon, Netflix, and Apple provide robust, free customer support.
  - walrus01 5y ago
    the amount of catastrophe that can be caused in a normal person's life by a failed netflix account/billing/getting locked out is markedly different than what would happen to a non-technical user that has gone "all in" on trusting amazon, apple, microsoft or google platform cloud storage of all their documents, photos, private data. based on the amount of fake/fraudulent products sold on amazon's marketplace I really can't concur that they have robust customer support that is really empowered to do anything.
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      >a non-technical user that has gone "all in" on trusting amazon, apple, microsoft or google Between Apple, Google and Microsoft, only Apple provides free customer support, in person, or over the phone. Microsoft provides support, but you have to pay for it. Google is the only one of the big three computing platforms that literally couldn't couldn't care less about your issues.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
> Now if we have to think of Apple as a hostile entity that is doing the same shit as microsoft, it makes me very disappointed. It's sad and disappointing but not surprising in any way. The immutable truth is we simply can't trust these companies. We need to cut them out of our lives as much as humanly possible. Linux is flawed but it's ours. I hope we continue to have unlocked computers to run it on forever.
- minerva23 5y ago
  Linux belongs to those who maintain it. Become a maintainer. :)
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    I totally want to become a Linux contributor one day. I made drivers for some USB stuff on my laptop but I got the impression the kernel developers prefer keeping that stuff in user space if at all possible and in my case it was.
    - minerva23 5y ago
      That's awesome. Don't discount your contribution just because it didn't make its way into the kernel. Published FOSS is great too. If you want to reach more users by default, you could ask Ubuntu or Red Hat to include it in their distros. Thanks for the work!

simonh 5y ago

You can relax, the option to log in with your iCloud account was removed from Sierra onwards.

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laurent123456 5y ago

Any company at that size should be thought as a hostile entity - if anything bad happens you're just a drop in the ocean and the company couldn't care less about your issues. Everything should be done in such a way that there's an exit door if things go wrong (Of course that's unfortunately not always possible - eg if you're banned from any app store, that's it for you).

schappim 5y ago
Apple is literally the only tech company I can walk into a store and most of the time get a problem fixed. I can’t say that for any other piece of tech I own.
- walrus01 5y ago
  with the caveat that if the embedded on motherboard security chip/crypto key repository inside your apple device has decided to lock/freeze/brick your phone, laptop or tablet, it's basically become a hunk of garbage.
GeekyBear 5y ago
> if anything bad happens you're just a drop in the ocean and the company couldn't care less about your issues This is certainly true for companies like Google that very famously refuse to provide customer support. However, companies like Amazon, Netflix, and Apple provide robust, free customer support.
- walrus01 5y ago
  the amount of catastrophe that can be caused in a normal person's life by a failed netflix account/billing/getting locked out is markedly different than what would happen to a non-technical user that has gone "all in" on trusting amazon, apple, microsoft or google platform cloud storage of all their documents, photos, private data. based on the amount of fake/fraudulent products sold on amazon's marketplace I really can't concur that they have robust customer support that is really empowered to do anything.
  - GeekyBear 5y ago
    >a non-technical user that has gone "all in" on trusting amazon, apple, microsoft or google Between Apple, Google and Microsoft, only Apple provides free customer support, in person, or over the phone. Microsoft provides support, but you have to pay for it. Google is the only one of the big three computing platforms that literally couldn't couldn't care less about your issues.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

> Now if we have to think of Apple as a hostile entity that is doing the same shit as microsoft, it makes me very disappointed. It's sad and disappointing but not surprising in any way. The immutable truth is we simply can't trust these companies. We need to cut them out of our lives as much as humanly possible. Linux is flawed but it's ours. I hope we continue to have unlocked computers to run it on forever.

minerva23 5y ago
Linux belongs to those who maintain it. Become a maintainer. :)
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  I totally want to become a Linux contributor one day. I made drivers for some USB stuff on my laptop but I got the impression the kernel developers prefer keeping that stuff in user space if at all possible and in my case it was.
  - minerva23 5y ago
    That's awesome. Don't discount your contribution just because it didn't make its way into the kernel. Published FOSS is great too. If you want to reach more users by default, you could ask Ubuntu or Red Hat to include it in their distros. Thanks for the work!