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I hate to break it to you but most people hospitalized with COVID are already vaccinated in many health systems. That's true in the UK for instance. US data is

I hate to break it to you but most people hospitalized with COVID are already vaccinated in many health systems. That's true in the UK for instance. US data is often garbage so it's harder to say there but it's unlikely to be different. Most people are vaccinated + vaccines don't work very well = most COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated.

tylerhou 5y ago
> most COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated. Do you have a source for this? The math doesn’t add up (vaccinated are 10-15x less likely to be hospitalized, and around 60% of US is vaccinated, implies around 6/46 hospitalized people are vaccinated) and all the sources I could find show that unvaccinated people take up most hospitalizations and even more ICU beds, which is the limiting resource. https://www.wndu.com/2022/01/06/covid-19-hospitalizations-rise-vaccinatednon-boosted-patients/ https://www.wndu.com/2022/01/06/covid-19-hospitalizations-ri...
- native_samples 5y ago
  US data is unfortunately unusable. Hospitals routinely classify anyone they don't have data on as unvaccinated and they don't have data much of the time. Germany pulls the same trick, it was covered in a national newspaper and they didn't change it. Public health is utterly corrupt, you have to work very hard to find data that is slightly less corrupted than normal. In the UK data quality is better than normal for some reason, perhaps due to the nationalized healthcare system making it easier to set consistent standards. And there the majority of COVID patients in hospital are vaccinated according to the ICNARC audits. It's not a big majority but it's there, and this is not confounder/game-playing free data either. They keep classifying people as unvaccinated for quite some time after their first shot for example, which is problematic because there's some evidence people are more likely to get infected immediately after their first dose. But that gets added to the unvaccinated side of the ledger. There are other problems e.g. people have to go to hospital to be hospitalized, but they tell vaccinated people they're protected from hospitalization, then declare victory when those people don't turn up. Given how marginal many cases are (they may or may not really need to be there but you can't know what would have happened in the alternative case), this is a form of circular reasoning. Nonetheless it'd be weird if the USA and Germany were radically different to the UK in this regard.
tzs 5y ago
Vaccines work very well. Vaccinated people have COVID hospitalization rates an order of magnitude lower than do unvaccinated people. In the US we have about 25% of adults unvaccinated, but it varies greatly from region to region. We've got plenty of counties where over 50% of adults are unvaccinated.
khazhoux 5y ago
Every bit of data in the US, from hospital reports to anecdotal stories told by nurses and doctors, tells the exact opposite. Hospitalized and ICU'd COVID patients are unvaccinated.

tylerhou 5y ago

> most COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated. Do you have a source for this? The math doesn’t add up (vaccinated are 10-15x less likely to be hospitalized, and around 60% of US is vaccinated, implies around 6/46 hospitalized people are vaccinated) and all the sources I could find show that unvaccinated people take up most hospitalizations and even more ICU beds, which is the limiting resource. https://www.wndu.com/2022/01/06/covid-19-hospitalizations-rise-vaccinatednon-boosted-patients/ https://www.wndu.com/2022/01/06/covid-19-hospitalizations-ri...

native_samples 5y ago
US data is unfortunately unusable. Hospitals routinely classify anyone they don't have data on as unvaccinated and they don't have data much of the time. Germany pulls the same trick, it was covered in a national newspaper and they didn't change it. Public health is utterly corrupt, you have to work very hard to find data that is slightly less corrupted than normal. In the UK data quality is better than normal for some reason, perhaps due to the nationalized healthcare system making it easier to set consistent standards. And there the majority of COVID patients in hospital are vaccinated according to the ICNARC audits. It's not a big majority but it's there, and this is not confounder/game-playing free data either. They keep classifying people as unvaccinated for quite some time after their first shot for example, which is problematic because there's some evidence people are more likely to get infected immediately after their first dose. But that gets added to the unvaccinated side of the ledger. There are other problems e.g. people have to go to hospital to be hospitalized, but they tell vaccinated people they're protected from hospitalization, then declare victory when those people don't turn up. Given how marginal many cases are (they may or may not really need to be there but you can't know what would have happened in the alternative case), this is a form of circular reasoning. Nonetheless it'd be weird if the USA and Germany were radically different to the UK in this regard.

tzs 5y ago

Vaccines work very well. Vaccinated people have COVID hospitalization rates an order of magnitude lower than do unvaccinated people. In the US we have about 25% of adults unvaccinated, but it varies greatly from region to region. We've got plenty of counties where over 50% of adults are unvaccinated.

khazhoux 5y ago

Every bit of data in the US, from hospital reports to anecdotal stories told by nurses and doctors, tells the exact opposite. Hospitalized and ICU'd COVID patients are unvaccinated.