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So an iMessage group that was initiated with 5 iPhones using their phone numbers can add an Android in it no problem, but if one of them was added through Apple

by BbzzbB 5y ago

So an iMessage group that was initiated with 5 iPhones using their phone numbers can add an Android in it no problem, but if one of them was added through Apple ID it's suddenly black magic? How about a notification asking the Apple ID user if they authorize the group to use their phone number instead so that "green user X can be included"? Sure, if the Apple ID person actually has no phone number associated, it becomes black magic to send them an SMS/MMS. But how many iPhone users do you know have no phone number?

dpark 5y ago
I misunderstood the scenario. I thought you were asking for Apple to somehow maintain an iMessage conversation but add an SMS/MMS recipient. What you’re asking is for them to reveal someone’s phone number when they choose to only share their Apple ID. This seems like a real privacy issue and I’m not surprised that Apple does not do this. The idea that Apple should synchronously hold a conversation waiting for someone to approve this sharing also seems infeasible.
- BbzzbB 5y ago
  >you're asking for them to reveal someone’s phone number You're putting words in my mouth (hands?), I clearly said notify said user to get it's consent. It doesn't have to "synchronously hold a conversation waiting" for anything, the group can keep chatting between themselves and not add the latest recipient before they accept. Maybe/probably my napkin solution wouldn't be the right one, but if you think it is too technically challenging for Apple to adapt iMessage for Android rather than purely a marketing tactic, I'd invite you to read the article on which we are commenting.
  - dpark 5y ago
    > You're putting words in my mouth (hands?), I clearly said notify said user to get it's consent. It doesn't have to "synchronously hold a conversation waiting" for anything, the group can keep chatting between themselves and not add the latest recipient before they accept. This sounds like a very complex flow. I can’t imagine that this is valuable enough to add. Asynchronous acceptance but the conversation keeps going and the new recipient can’t see any of the new history that was presumably intended for them. This sounds like a mess. Apple could of course ship iMessage for android. That’s totally different from this ugly flow.

by BbzzbB 5y ago

dpark 5y ago

I misunderstood the scenario. I thought you were asking for Apple to somehow maintain an iMessage conversation but add an SMS/MMS recipient. What you’re asking is for them to reveal someone’s phone number when they choose to only share their Apple ID. This seems like a real privacy issue and I’m not surprised that Apple does not do this. The idea that Apple should synchronously hold a conversation waiting for someone to approve this sharing also seems infeasible.

BbzzbB 5y ago
>you're asking for them to reveal someone’s phone number You're putting words in my mouth (hands?), I clearly said notify said user to get it's consent. It doesn't have to "synchronously hold a conversation waiting" for anything, the group can keep chatting between themselves and not add the latest recipient before they accept. Maybe/probably my napkin solution wouldn't be the right one, but if you think it is too technically challenging for Apple to adapt iMessage for Android rather than purely a marketing tactic, I'd invite you to read the article on which we are commenting.
- dpark 5y ago
  > You're putting words in my mouth (hands?), I clearly said notify said user to get it's consent. It doesn't have to "synchronously hold a conversation waiting" for anything, the group can keep chatting between themselves and not add the latest recipient before they accept. This sounds like a very complex flow. I can’t imagine that this is valuable enough to add. Asynchronous acceptance but the conversation keeps going and the new recipient can’t see any of the new history that was presumably intended for them. This sounds like a mess. Apple could of course ship iMessage for android. That’s totally different from this ugly flow.