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Yes, but I can run Whatsapp on Android.

dpark 5y ago
Sure. For the sake of not being dicks, I think Apple should ship iMessage for Android. But that’s different from Messages happily shoving everyone into MMS and giving up all the iMessage features Apple users want. Of course I think YouTube should have allowed on Windows Phone, too. Corporations are often very dickish in their search for dominance. edit: I think I misunderstood the scenario here. I thought you were saying it was not possible to add a non-iMessage recipient to a group chat. It sounds like that actually does work? (I’ve never actually done this.) What you’re asking for it’s for Apple to violate privacy by reversing an Apple ID and revealing a phone number. Honestly that sounds pretty iffy to me.
- meetingthrower 5y ago
  Correct - depending how the chat is started, a non-imessage number cannot be added. I think it has to do with having one number of the group that is apple id based and not phone number based. So it is not about the color, but literally about being locked out of the conversation unless you are on an apple device. Edit: yes agreed that an Android app for iMessage would be perfect. And I'm fine with requiring an apple id. And I'm even fine with the color! But the sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't is ridiculous.
  - dpark 5y ago
    Right. I think the fix is to ship iMessage for Android rather than support the privacy violation, though. If they shipped iMessage for Android, they would probably be more aggressive about refusing to revert back to SMS/MMS.
- kelnos 5y ago
  > I think Apple should ship iMessage for Android. I kinda do and don't want this. I think the ideal would be that Apple just support RCS on iPhones (and work with the people who define RCS to fix any perceived deficiencies, if any) and allow iMessage to fade away. Second would hold their noses and work with Google to add iMessage support to the Android Messages app. I really don't want yet another chat app on my phone. But yeah, at the absolute very least, Apple should release a version of iMessage for Android. I get why they don't, but screw that. They claim to be champions of security and privacy, but intentionally degrade the security and privacy of their own customers any time they want to converse with an Android user.
  - dpark 5y ago
    > I think the ideal would be that Apple just support RCS on iPhones (and work with the people who define RCS to fix any perceived deficiencies, if any) and allow iMessage to fade away. I assume RCS is the latest message protocol for phones? Does this support non-phone devices? If not, I’m doubtful Apple will ever do this unless it’s mandated or iMessage use collapses for some reason. Lots of people use iMessage on their Apple laptops or iPads. Apple isn’t going to drop that support to make Android users happy. I find it interesting how often the industry refuses to change until Apple eventually says “fuck it, we can do better” and ships what the industry should have done already. MMS is extremely limited and I never heard anyone seriously discuss improving it until iMessage appeared. Ditto for USB vs lightning.

Sure. For the sake of not being dicks, I think Apple should ship iMessage for Android. But that’s different from Messages happily shoving everyone into MMS and giving up all the iMessage features Apple users want. Of course I think YouTube should have allowed on Windows Phone, too. Corporations are often very dickish in their search for dominance. edit: I think I misunderstood the scenario here. I thought you were saying it was not possible to add a non-iMessage recipient to a group chat. It sounds like that actually does work? (I’ve never actually done this.) What you’re asking for it’s for Apple to violate privacy by reversing an Apple ID and revealing a phone number. Honestly that sounds pretty iffy to me.

meetingthrower 5y ago
Correct - depending how the chat is started, a non-imessage number cannot be added. I think it has to do with having one number of the group that is apple id based and not phone number based. So it is not about the color, but literally about being locked out of the conversation unless you are on an apple device. Edit: yes agreed that an Android app for iMessage would be perfect. And I'm fine with requiring an apple id. And I'm even fine with the color! But the sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't is ridiculous.
- dpark 5y ago
  Right. I think the fix is to ship iMessage for Android rather than support the privacy violation, though. If they shipped iMessage for Android, they would probably be more aggressive about refusing to revert back to SMS/MMS.
kelnos 5y ago
> I think Apple should ship iMessage for Android. I kinda do and don't want this. I think the ideal would be that Apple just support RCS on iPhones (and work with the people who define RCS to fix any perceived deficiencies, if any) and allow iMessage to fade away. Second would hold their noses and work with Google to add iMessage support to the Android Messages app. I really don't want yet another chat app on my phone. But yeah, at the absolute very least, Apple should release a version of iMessage for Android. I get why they don't, but screw that. They claim to be champions of security and privacy, but intentionally degrade the security and privacy of their own customers any time they want to converse with an Android user.
- dpark 5y ago
  > I think the ideal would be that Apple just support RCS on iPhones (and work with the people who define RCS to fix any perceived deficiencies, if any) and allow iMessage to fade away. I assume RCS is the latest message protocol for phones? Does this support non-phone devices? If not, I’m doubtful Apple will ever do this unless it’s mandated or iMessage use collapses for some reason. Lots of people use iMessage on their Apple laptops or iPads. Apple isn’t going to drop that support to make Android users happy. I find it interesting how often the industry refuses to change until Apple eventually says “fuck it, we can do better” and ships what the industry should have done already. MMS is extremely limited and I never heard anyone seriously discuss improving it until iMessage appeared. Ditto for USB vs lightning.