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The time has come to get on with our lives

14 points by steelstraw 5y ago

kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
What a load of crap writing. Just idiotic. Is this a major news site, or someone’s first blog post? Surely the writer could do better, and surely the editor could’ve insisted on it.
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rdtwo 5y ago
Every media source is pushing the natural immunity agenda
- nathanaldensr 5y ago
  It's an "agenda" to "push" a basic biological reality? Interesting.
  - edmcnulty101 5y ago
    Incredible. The natural immune system is a borderline conspiracy theory to these people. Corporate news media and big pharma are much more trustworthy.
    - spurgu 5y ago
      Yeah it's interesting how 2021 became the year where big pharma became trustworthy, has all of our best interests in mind always and never shoves shady research under the rug and never ends up settling in court for shady and/or unethical practices. Today they are perfect, they can do no wrong, it's highly immoral to question them, their motives and their products. It's crazy. It's a bit like living in an ongoing The Onion article.
      - edmcnulty101 5y ago
        The supreme court justice Sotomayor just said last week that there's 100,000 CHILDREN IN HOSPITALS. The misinformation has reached the highest levels. We live in a continuous Onion article. They lied about Covid have also been lying about inflation. And we're about to pay the price.
edmcnulty101 5y ago
People are sick of Covid. We're at 70% vaccination rate and we have double the number of cases we did at the height of the pandemic. Mask mandates haven't worked, quarantines don't work, locking down entire countries doesn't work. It's time to accept that this is endemic and not make Covid the center of everyone's existence any longer.
- notacoward 5y ago
  I'm not entirely unsympathetic to this POV, but I think "haven't worked" is an overstatement and going from there to "don't do it at all" is premature. It's what I call Quitter Culture, which I see in many other areas of life nowadays as well. Just because vaccines don't provide perfect protection doesn't mean we should abandon them entirely. Ditto for masks. Ditto for avoiding close prolonged contact indoors. These things all help reduce spread and/or severity, even if they don't eliminate either entirely. The one thing we should do more of is testing, and that's precisely because they allow more targeted action. Identifying and isolating infected individuals avoids the need (or temptation) for broader restrictions on whole classes of places or events. Vaccine and/or testing requirements would create more freedom for a lot of people, not less, but somehow that fact gets lost in the noise from people who are already least affected. "Just give up" is a pretty severe sentence for the people you don't see.
  - edmcnulty101 5y ago
    > Vaccine and/or testing requirements would create more freedom for a lot of people More people than EVER are vaccinated and we have higher case loads than ever. I don't understand how you can still justify this line of thinking in 2022. Having it as an option is fine. Mandating people to take something that the experts are not even sure how effective it is?
    - lanstin 5y ago
      i have read much data and analysis that the people going to hospital and dieing are almost all unvaccinated, even tho most people are vaccinated. So it is quite effective at preseving our medical system and our people. qed
xg15 5y ago
I'm pretty sure you could read this exact kind of article already in april 2020. > Workers cannot permanently be kept away from their offices. And yet, I keep reading about companies that postpone their "back to office" dates again and again because workers have adapted to home office and are refusing to come back.
Arnt 5y ago
I read that Demmark's just decided so, based on actual reasons and arguments. Chiefly that their vaccination rates are high. The Spectator author doesn't seem to have similar reasons. Nothing in the article makes me think that he'd arrive at the opposite conclusion if any fact about the world were different.

14 points by steelstraw 5y ago

What a load of crap writing. Just idiotic. Is this a major news site, or someone’s first blog post? Surely the writer could do better, and surely the editor could’ve insisted on it.

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rdtwo 5y ago

Every media source is pushing the natural immunity agenda

nathanaldensr 5y ago
It's an "agenda" to "push" a basic biological reality? Interesting.
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  Incredible. The natural immune system is a borderline conspiracy theory to these people. Corporate news media and big pharma are much more trustworthy.
  - spurgu 5y ago
    Yeah it's interesting how 2021 became the year where big pharma became trustworthy, has all of our best interests in mind always and never shoves shady research under the rug and never ends up settling in court for shady and/or unethical practices. Today they are perfect, they can do no wrong, it's highly immoral to question them, their motives and their products. It's crazy. It's a bit like living in an ongoing The Onion article.
    - edmcnulty101 5y ago
      The supreme court justice Sotomayor just said last week that there's 100,000 CHILDREN IN HOSPITALS. The misinformation has reached the highest levels. We live in a continuous Onion article. They lied about Covid have also been lying about inflation. And we're about to pay the price.

edmcnulty101 5y ago

People are sick of Covid. We're at 70% vaccination rate and we have double the number of cases we did at the height of the pandemic. Mask mandates haven't worked, quarantines don't work, locking down entire countries doesn't work. It's time to accept that this is endemic and not make Covid the center of everyone's existence any longer.

notacoward 5y ago
I'm not entirely unsympathetic to this POV, but I think "haven't worked" is an overstatement and going from there to "don't do it at all" is premature. It's what I call Quitter Culture, which I see in many other areas of life nowadays as well. Just because vaccines don't provide perfect protection doesn't mean we should abandon them entirely. Ditto for masks. Ditto for avoiding close prolonged contact indoors. These things all help reduce spread and/or severity, even if they don't eliminate either entirely. The one thing we should do more of is testing, and that's precisely because they allow more targeted action. Identifying and isolating infected individuals avoids the need (or temptation) for broader restrictions on whole classes of places or events. Vaccine and/or testing requirements would create more freedom for a lot of people, not less, but somehow that fact gets lost in the noise from people who are already least affected. "Just give up" is a pretty severe sentence for the people you don't see.
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  > Vaccine and/or testing requirements would create more freedom for a lot of people More people than EVER are vaccinated and we have higher case loads than ever. I don't understand how you can still justify this line of thinking in 2022. Having it as an option is fine. Mandating people to take something that the experts are not even sure how effective it is?
  - lanstin 5y ago
    i have read much data and analysis that the people going to hospital and dieing are almost all unvaccinated, even tho most people are vaccinated. So it is quite effective at preseving our medical system and our people. qed

xg15 5y ago

I'm pretty sure you could read this exact kind of article already in april 2020. > Workers cannot permanently be kept away from their offices. And yet, I keep reading about companies that postpone their "back to office" dates again and again because workers have adapted to home office and are refusing to come back.

Arnt 5y ago

I read that Demmark's just decided so, based on actual reasons and arguments. Chiefly that their vaccination rates are high. The Spectator author doesn't seem to have similar reasons. Nothing in the article makes me think that he'd arrive at the opposite conclusion if any fact about the world were different.