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If you are saying "just have positive people attend school and don't bother testing contacts", then you're not just advocating to give all the kids COVID at the

If you are saying "just have positive people attend school and don't bother testing contacts", then you're not just advocating to give all the kids COVID at the same time, but also all their parents and their parents' contacts - in a very short space of time. So basically the entire population? Why then are you only looking at the number of children that have died of COVID?

parkingrift 5y ago
Please, enough with the hyperbole. No one suggested anything of the sort.
- khazhoux 5y ago
  TBH the thought has crossed my mind many times lately. At this point, I strongly believe we're all going to get Omicron (and the next variant) eventually, and it's just a matter of time. So, more and more I just want to get it over with. Except for the fact that ICUs would overflow, it would be fantastic to just have a "once and done" event. Let (and encourage) COVID to sweep undeterred, and all the vaccinated adults get sick for a couple of days, some of the children get sick (and many will be asymptomatic), and all the stubbornly-unvaccinated meet whatever fate awaits them, all at the same time rather than spread out over the next five years.
  - rhinoceraptor 5y ago
    I'm sure the antivax people would prefer this approach, but killing off 5 or 6 million people (based on a 1.4% CFR) in the US is fucking insane.
    - khazhoux 5y ago
      Not only does the antivaxxers prefer this approach, it's the approach they are already actively taking. In Florida, for example (but pick whatever southern-US state you prefer): people actively refuse the vaccine and violently refuse all other accommodations (no masks, no distancing, no reduced capacity at bars).
gabxla 5y ago
That is what Sweden has done. It now has a slightly lower cumulative death rate than locked-down Austria. It has a far lower cumulative death rate than the U.S.: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... It also has a far lower cumulative death rate than locked-down individual states like NY or Massachusetts.
- sofixa 5y ago
  You should compare apples to apples. Not all societies are alike, and there are huge variances in population density, temperatures, style of living, etc. between different countries ( e.g. places where people share food and ear with their hands vs places where most people live alone in houses vs places where whole extended families share the same house, etc. etc.). Sweden fared drastically worse than its neighbours which are IMHO the most apt comparisons. It has 7 times the death rate of Norway.
  - native_samples 5y ago
    The "neighbour" argument is DOA and has been from the start. There are no meaningful differences between Sweden and other countries except in its government response - Scandinavians aren't aliens and thus nobody was claiming they were incomparable back at the start. Instead it was headlines like "Sweden is a cautionary tale to the world". The idea that you aren't allowed to compare them only appeared once Sweden proved that COVID mitigations were a terrible failure. The real question is actually what's special about Norway and such. Sweden isn't an outlier here.
    - borski 5y ago
      There are definitely meaningful differences between countries. As an example, Sweden has a much higher percentage of people who care about protecting the rest of the populous; that is, if they’re sick, they tend to stay home on average much more than someone working in the US. (Even pre-COVID). Italy has a higher percentage of older people. Countries have differences. Comparing Sweden to its neighbors is, in fact, the right approach imho.

parkingrift 5y ago

Please, enough with the hyperbole. No one suggested anything of the sort.

khazhoux 5y ago
TBH the thought has crossed my mind many times lately. At this point, I strongly believe we're all going to get Omicron (and the next variant) eventually, and it's just a matter of time. So, more and more I just want to get it over with. Except for the fact that ICUs would overflow, it would be fantastic to just have a "once and done" event. Let (and encourage) COVID to sweep undeterred, and all the vaccinated adults get sick for a couple of days, some of the children get sick (and many will be asymptomatic), and all the stubbornly-unvaccinated meet whatever fate awaits them, all at the same time rather than spread out over the next five years.
- rhinoceraptor 5y ago
  I'm sure the antivax people would prefer this approach, but killing off 5 or 6 million people (based on a 1.4% CFR) in the US is fucking insane.
  - khazhoux 5y ago
    Not only does the antivaxxers prefer this approach, it's the approach they are already actively taking. In Florida, for example (but pick whatever southern-US state you prefer): people actively refuse the vaccine and violently refuse all other accommodations (no masks, no distancing, no reduced capacity at bars).

gabxla 5y ago

That is what Sweden has done. It now has a slightly lower cumulative death rate than locked-down Austria. It has a far lower cumulative death rate than the U.S.: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... It also has a far lower cumulative death rate than locked-down individual states like NY or Massachusetts.

sofixa 5y ago
You should compare apples to apples. Not all societies are alike, and there are huge variances in population density, temperatures, style of living, etc. between different countries ( e.g. places where people share food and ear with their hands vs places where most people live alone in houses vs places where whole extended families share the same house, etc. etc.). Sweden fared drastically worse than its neighbours which are IMHO the most apt comparisons. It has 7 times the death rate of Norway.
- native_samples 5y ago
  The "neighbour" argument is DOA and has been from the start. There are no meaningful differences between Sweden and other countries except in its government response - Scandinavians aren't aliens and thus nobody was claiming they were incomparable back at the start. Instead it was headlines like "Sweden is a cautionary tale to the world". The idea that you aren't allowed to compare them only appeared once Sweden proved that COVID mitigations were a terrible failure. The real question is actually what's special about Norway and such. Sweden isn't an outlier here.
  - borski 5y ago
    There are definitely meaningful differences between countries. As an example, Sweden has a much higher percentage of people who care about protecting the rest of the populous; that is, if they’re sick, they tend to stay home on average much more than someone working in the US. (Even pre-COVID). Italy has a higher percentage of older people. Countries have differences. Comparing Sweden to its neighbors is, in fact, the right approach imho.