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Yes, because of the absurd hyperbole and hysterics associated with Covid. It’s pandemonium precisely because of the hysterics, overreacting, and absurd rules an

Yes, because of the absurd hyperbole and hysterics associated with Covid. It’s pandemonium precisely because of the hysterics, overreacting, and absurd rules and procedures. We’re seriously treating this like it’s the measles.

lozenge 5y ago
If you are saying "just have positive people attend school and don't bother testing contacts", then you're not just advocating to give all the kids COVID at the same time, but also all their parents and their parents' contacts - in a very short space of time. So basically the entire population? Why then are you only looking at the number of children that have died of COVID?
- parkingrift 5y ago
  Please, enough with the hyperbole. No one suggested anything of the sort.
  - khazhoux 5y ago
    TBH the thought has crossed my mind many times lately. At this point, I strongly believe we're all going to get Omicron (and the next variant) eventually, and it's just a matter of time. So, more and more I just want to get it over with. Except for the fact that ICUs would overflow, it would be fantastic to just have a "once and done" event. Let (and encourage) COVID to sweep undeterred, and all the vaccinated adults get sick for a couple of days, some of the children get sick (and many will be asymptomatic), and all the stubbornly-unvaccinated meet whatever fate awaits them, all at the same time rather than spread out over the next five years.
    - rhinoceraptor 5y ago
      I'm sure the antivax people would prefer this approach, but killing off 5 or 6 million people (based on a 1.4% CFR) in the US is fucking insane.
      - khazhoux 5y ago
        Not only does the antivaxxers prefer this approach, it's the approach they are already actively taking. In Florida, for example (but pick whatever southern-US state you prefer): people actively refuse the vaccine and violently refuse all other accommodations (no masks, no distancing, no reduced capacity at bars).
- gabxla 5y ago
  That is what Sweden has done. It now has a slightly lower cumulative death rate than locked-down Austria. It has a far lower cumulative death rate than the U.S.: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... It also has a far lower cumulative death rate than locked-down individual states like NY or Massachusetts.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    You should compare apples to apples. Not all societies are alike, and there are huge variances in population density, temperatures, style of living, etc. between different countries ( e.g. places where people share food and ear with their hands vs places where most people live alone in houses vs places where whole extended families share the same house, etc. etc.). Sweden fared drastically worse than its neighbours which are IMHO the most apt comparisons. It has 7 times the death rate of Norway.
    - native_samples 5y ago
      The "neighbour" argument is DOA and has been from the start. There are no meaningful differences between Sweden and other countries except in its government response - Scandinavians aren't aliens and thus nobody was claiming they were incomparable back at the start. Instead it was headlines like "Sweden is a cautionary tale to the world". The idea that you aren't allowed to compare them only appeared once Sweden proved that COVID mitigations were a terrible failure. The real question is actually what's special about Norway and such. Sweden isn't an outlier here.
      - borski 5y ago
        There are definitely meaningful differences between countries. As an example, Sweden has a much higher percentage of people who care about protecting the rest of the populous; that is, if they’re sick, they tend to stay home on average much more than someone working in the US. (Even pre-COVID). Italy has a higher percentage of older people. Countries have differences. Comparing Sweden to its neighbors is, in fact, the right approach imho.
fzeroracer 5y ago
This is objectively wrong. It's not 'hyperbole and hysterics', it's the fact that people simply cannot work when sick. Every discussion around covid, about returning to work, about trying to return to normalcy ignores that even among people that are vaccinated covid can and does still hit you hard and can prevent you from working anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. Especially if it spreads to other family members that you then also have to take care of. The way that it spreads like wildfire is precisely the issue because there are multiple school systems where half or more of teachers are out or unable to teach due to being sick. If your solution is to force them to work then you're going to get poorly ran classrooms at best and at worst you're going to see the next 'Great Resignation' but this time among teachers. I have multiple friends in the schooling system and this is exactly what's happening.
- kcplate 5y ago
  > at worst you're going to see the next 'Great Resignation' but this time among teachers This will be a controversial comment, but after decades of teachers telling to public on how “essential” they are to society (a point in which I agree), I have watched teachers and their unions spend the last 2 years pushing how “non-essential” they are due to pandemic fears. If a bunch want to resign, so be it. I would rather have the ones who want to be there, realize how essential they are, and willing to risk a virus to provide that essential service.
- parkingrift 5y ago
  >The way that it spreads like wildfire is precisely the issue because there are multiple school systems where half or more of teachers are out or unable to teach due to being sick. Half the staff isn’t out sick with Covid. The staff is out due to absurd contact tracing quarantine rules. The staff is also out due to extreme misplaced Covid fears. …but if half the staff was truly out sick with Covid that would mean we are 1-2 days away from full herd immunity at the school. And so this “crisis” should permanently abate in 1-2 weeks. I’d expect a full return to normal at these schools by the end of January if what you’re saying is true!

lozenge 5y ago

If you are saying "just have positive people attend school and don't bother testing contacts", then you're not just advocating to give all the kids COVID at the same time, but also all their parents and their parents' contacts - in a very short space of time. So basically the entire population? Why then are you only looking at the number of children that have died of COVID?

parkingrift 5y ago
Please, enough with the hyperbole. No one suggested anything of the sort.
- khazhoux 5y ago
  TBH the thought has crossed my mind many times lately. At this point, I strongly believe we're all going to get Omicron (and the next variant) eventually, and it's just a matter of time. So, more and more I just want to get it over with. Except for the fact that ICUs would overflow, it would be fantastic to just have a "once and done" event. Let (and encourage) COVID to sweep undeterred, and all the vaccinated adults get sick for a couple of days, some of the children get sick (and many will be asymptomatic), and all the stubbornly-unvaccinated meet whatever fate awaits them, all at the same time rather than spread out over the next five years.
  - rhinoceraptor 5y ago
    I'm sure the antivax people would prefer this approach, but killing off 5 or 6 million people (based on a 1.4% CFR) in the US is fucking insane.
    - khazhoux 5y ago
      Not only does the antivaxxers prefer this approach, it's the approach they are already actively taking. In Florida, for example (but pick whatever southern-US state you prefer): people actively refuse the vaccine and violently refuse all other accommodations (no masks, no distancing, no reduced capacity at bars).
gabxla 5y ago
That is what Sweden has done. It now has a slightly lower cumulative death rate than locked-down Austria. It has a far lower cumulative death rate than the U.S.: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... It also has a far lower cumulative death rate than locked-down individual states like NY or Massachusetts.
- sofixa 5y ago
  You should compare apples to apples. Not all societies are alike, and there are huge variances in population density, temperatures, style of living, etc. between different countries ( e.g. places where people share food and ear with their hands vs places where most people live alone in houses vs places where whole extended families share the same house, etc. etc.). Sweden fared drastically worse than its neighbours which are IMHO the most apt comparisons. It has 7 times the death rate of Norway.
  - native_samples 5y ago
    The "neighbour" argument is DOA and has been from the start. There are no meaningful differences between Sweden and other countries except in its government response - Scandinavians aren't aliens and thus nobody was claiming they were incomparable back at the start. Instead it was headlines like "Sweden is a cautionary tale to the world". The idea that you aren't allowed to compare them only appeared once Sweden proved that COVID mitigations were a terrible failure. The real question is actually what's special about Norway and such. Sweden isn't an outlier here.
    - borski 5y ago
      There are definitely meaningful differences between countries. As an example, Sweden has a much higher percentage of people who care about protecting the rest of the populous; that is, if they’re sick, they tend to stay home on average much more than someone working in the US. (Even pre-COVID). Italy has a higher percentage of older people. Countries have differences. Comparing Sweden to its neighbors is, in fact, the right approach imho.

fzeroracer 5y ago

This is objectively wrong. It's not 'hyperbole and hysterics', it's the fact that people simply cannot work when sick. Every discussion around covid, about returning to work, about trying to return to normalcy ignores that even among people that are vaccinated covid can and does still hit you hard and can prevent you from working anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. Especially if it spreads to other family members that you then also have to take care of. The way that it spreads like wildfire is precisely the issue because there are multiple school systems where half or more of teachers are out or unable to teach due to being sick. If your solution is to force them to work then you're going to get poorly ran classrooms at best and at worst you're going to see the next 'Great Resignation' but this time among teachers. I have multiple friends in the schooling system and this is exactly what's happening.

kcplate 5y ago
> at worst you're going to see the next 'Great Resignation' but this time among teachers This will be a controversial comment, but after decades of teachers telling to public on how “essential” they are to society (a point in which I agree), I have watched teachers and their unions spend the last 2 years pushing how “non-essential” they are due to pandemic fears. If a bunch want to resign, so be it. I would rather have the ones who want to be there, realize how essential they are, and willing to risk a virus to provide that essential service.
parkingrift 5y ago
>The way that it spreads like wildfire is precisely the issue because there are multiple school systems where half or more of teachers are out or unable to teach due to being sick. Half the staff isn’t out sick with Covid. The staff is out due to absurd contact tracing quarantine rules. The staff is also out due to extreme misplaced Covid fears. …but if half the staff was truly out sick with Covid that would mean we are 1-2 days away from full herd immunity at the school. And so this “crisis” should permanently abate in 1-2 weeks. I’d expect a full return to normal at these schools by the end of January if what you’re saying is true!